PIA to Acquire up to Three Wide-body Aircraft on Dry Lease

[Hashmax]

Sadly PIA has opted for Aercap offered aircrafts.
LOI will be signed next week .....

[ammad]

Sadly PIA has opted for Aercap offered aircrafts.
LOI will be signed next week .....

I think the real problem for PIA is the legal issue to ignore Aircraft from Number 1 till number-6 in the bidding process and picked the last three of Kenyan Airways.

What i infer is that AER cap Aircraft are offered at very low price, specially the third one which have build year 2003. These Aircraft matches the age of other sister B-777 Aircraft in PIA fleet and will be good for next 10 year.

[mac777]

it might be disapointing as the 3 kenyan b77w were the most desired.however it all comes down to what u can afford.if aercap couldnt find a lessee, those aircraft would have landed in the desert for scrapping.the leasing rate difference would have been substantial.
it would be interesting to know their seating config and if they r equipped with crew rest bunk

[Abbas Ali]

PIA Managing Director Shahnawaz Rehman has said that three Boeing 777s will join airline's fleet to replace Boeing 747 aircraft that were phased out from airline's fleet in recent times.

Source: http://www.dawn.com/news/1196211

The good thing is that Boeing 777-200ERs offered by AerCap are powered with GE90 engines. Are they going to have dense seating configuration or seating configuration similar to Boeing 777-200ERs already operated by PIA.

Abbas

[jam2k94]

Cabin View of VN-A149

During 2009
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Vietnam- ... 52347555be

Cabin View of VN-A150

During 2009
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Vietnam- ... 1623714/M/

During 2010
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Vietnam- ... 6fba75a067

[Amaad Lone]

The two 777-200ERs made in 2005 are probably due for their D Checks.

Any idea when these three planes will be delivered?

[747-300]

I really hope they land in Karachi with Vietnam Livery

[Amaad Lone]

I really hope they land in Karachi with Vietnam Livery

I dont think so, they should be painted in PIA colors where ever they get the D checks done.

Well Kenya Airways aircraft must be much more expensive then the 10 year old ex Vietnam aircraft.

Still happy to see some wide body aircraft being inducted to replace the capacity lost when the 747s were scrapped.

Main question, why did PIA management did not get more aircraft when the six jumbos were going out of service????

[ammad]

Main question, why did PIA management did not get more aircraft when the six jumbos were going out of service????

The real reason was some of the GAP were covered by 3 B777-340ER inducted in 2007 and 2008 and by that time four 747 were operational, now last 747 is on his way, so i think this is little bit late but still the right time to induct 3 more wide body Aircraft having almost same age as PIA other 777-240ER have.

Vietnam Airways inducted First B777 in August 2003 and PIA did that on January 29, 2004.

While the other two Vietnam Airways Aircraft were inducted in 2005. At this point of time looks to me, is fine decision to induct these half life (time and cycle wise) used Aircraft to put less burden on balance sheet.

[umar744]

Disappointed three Kenya 777-300ER sad
PIA should not get old used aircraft otherwise tear and wear
Air India and Biman Bangladesh always get new brand
PIA buy or lease new aircraft
Sorry to PIA

[Charliedelta11]

Disappointed three Kenya 777-300ER sad
PIA should not get old used aircraft otherwise tear and wear
Air India and Biman Bangladesh always get new brand
PIA buy or lease new aircraft
Sorry to PIA

Umar I disagree there. 10 years does not amount to much if you're getting a well maintained aircraft. These planes will be given quite the run down on high density routes like KSA etc, esp with the way our people treat planes, i.e, baap ka maal. While i would be ecstatic to see a 787, knowing that some kid will scratch the PTV, or that the toilet will be broken while someone is trying to perform wazu in the lav, or someone will fill the meal table compartment with trash for no rhyme or reason, I think we are better off without them for now.

Anyhow, 12 777's, 10 ATR's, 5 A310's, 12 A320's. Sounds fairly decent to me. For the time being atleast. That being said, alot needs to be done for the wide body fleet down the road.

[Abbas Ali]

Usually, PIA introduces a new aircraft type in its fleet by acquiring it directly from manufacturer in brand new condition and then increases number of that aircraft type by acquiring them in used condition from various sources. I don't see anything wrong in this practice.

Examples:

Fokker F27s acquired in brand new condition from Fokker and later used F27s added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

Boeing 720Bs acquired in brand new condition from Boeing and later used Boeing 720Bs added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30s acquired in brand new condition from McDonnell Douglas and later a used DC-10 inducted in fleet.

Airbus A300s acquired in brand new condition from Airbus and later used A300s added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

Airbus A310-300s acquired in brand new condition from Airbus and later used A310s added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

ATRs acquired in brand new condition from ATR and later used ATRs added in fleet.

Boeing 777s acquired in brand new condition from Boeing and now used B777s to be added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

Abbas

[Hamad]

Umar I disagree there. 10 years does not amount to much if you're getting a well maintained aircraft. These planes will be given quite the run down on high density routes like KSA etc, esp with the way our people treat planes, i.e, baap ka maal. While i would be ecstatic to see a 787, knowing that some kid will scratch the PTV, or that the toilet will be broken while someone is trying to perform wazu in the lav, or someone will fill the meal table compartment with trash for no rhyme or reason, I think we are better off without them for now.

Anyhow, 12 777's, 10 ATR's, 5 A310's, 12 A320's. Sounds fairly decent to me. For the time being atleast. That being said, alot needs to be done for the wide body fleet down the road.

Well said...I agree. Its good to see that PIA is acquiring new (used) Widebodies especially 777's.

[Umair94]

Nice to see more 777s, any idea when the A310s are leaving the fleet? And what is the replacement for the A310? just the A320?

[Moin]

Usually, PIA introduces a new aircraft type in its fleet by acquiring it directly from manufacturer in brand new condition and then increases number of that aircraft type by acquiring them in used condition from various sources. I don't see anything wrong in this practice.

Examples:

Fokker F27s acquired in brand new condition from Fokker and later used F27s added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

Boeing 720Bs acquired in brand new condition from Boeing and later used Boeing 720Bs added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30s acquired in brand new condition from McDonnell Douglas and later a used DC-10 inducted in fleet.

Airbus A300s acquired in brand new condition from Airbus and later used A300s added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

Airbus A310-300s acquired in brand new condition from Airbus and later used A310s added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

ATRs acquired in brand new condition from ATR and later used ATRs added in fleet.

Boeing 777s acquired in brand new condition from Boeing and now used B777s to be added to increase number of that aircraft type in fleet.

Abbas

Wasn't it the same case with the 707's? The first 3 707's came in 1966 starting with AP-AUN, AUO and AUP and second hand examples were acquired from Northwest along with a couple more brand new ones.