Emergency landing of PK770 at Milan Airport

raihans · Post by **raihans** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:14 pm

what about 280 pax? still stranded at Milan Aiport or moved to hotel or next flight has been arranged for them?

rayyanullah · Post by **rayyanullah** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:48 pm

It would be interesting to know the the following:
After landing did the pilots report any fault with their radar?
When the aircraft was in the vicinity of severe weather were other aircrafts asking for devation from track?
Did the ATC inform the pilots of severe weather in their control?
Wonder what the names of the pilots are as some are notorious for not trying to avoid areas of known turbulence......MACHO TYPES....we have such persons in ALL airlines.

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:16 pm

Incident: Pakistan International B772 Near Milano On Jul 2nd 2008, Clear Air Turbulence

By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Jul 3rd 2008 13:07Z, last updated Thursday, Jul 3rd 2008 13:09Z

A Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 777-200, registration AP-BHX performing flight PK-770 from Paris CDG (France) to Milano Malpensa (Italy) with 80 people on board and further on to Lahore (Pakistan), performed an emergency landing into Milano Malpensa, after the airplane was damaged in clear air turbulences, PIA officials said. No injuries have been reported.

The airplane is being repaired and is currently scheduled to resume its flight with a delay of 24 hours.

Source: The Aviation Herald

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:23 pm

Btw, news report posted above claims there were 80 people aboard the aircraft.

Angry Fishwife · Post by **Angry Fishwife** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:04 pm

What the real question is how come clear air turbulnce caused the damage to the nose radome and all the dents reported earliar.

Seems like another coverup!!!

How long will this country tolerate these attempts at cover up.

What is required is a independent professional investigtion.

But there are no real professionals left in the airline or for that matter the country.

So let us pass the blame on to ...... and go on with our merry ways.....

hjmemon · Post by **hjmemon** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:23 pm

Well Guys, lets chill out a little bit. Atleast what I learnt in FAA syllabus, Hail could be encountered several miles from thunderstorms in clear air. And the weather radar might not pick them in clear air.

raihans · Post by **raihans** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:23 pm

....what i heard on GEO news channel that MD PIA stated; it was a routine flight from Paris to Milan and the 777 was in approach mode to Milan when it got light striking....

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:02 am

What else is new? Something like this happens and conspiracy theories raise their ugly heads in no time. There are several factors that could have led to this, and one of them certainly isn't the fact that the pilots did this on purpose!

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:08 am

raihans wrote:....what i heard on GEO news channel that MD PIA stated; it was a routine flight from Paris to Milan and the 777 was in approach mode to Milan when it got light striking....

Yes, flight PK-770 includes Milan stopover. PIA operates flight PK-770 every Wednesday from Paris with Boeing 777-240ER on Paris-Milan-Lahore route. The aircraft lands in Lahore on Thursday morning at 6:40AM according to PIA flight schedule.

Abbas

FMC · Post by **FMC** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:38 am

lightning strike and hailstorms are not encountered in clear air. Shuja Naqvi should have grounded the operating crew by now.

R.F. · Post by **R.F.** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:10 am

I think a chill pill is required here, from termination to suspension and what not has been suggested here. Any body with an iota of aviation background would substantiate that thunderstorms can be vicious. The on board weather radar is programmed to pick up embedded CB's as they say in aviation lingo. Avoidance is the basic premise however it's a well known documented and experienced fact that hail can be encountered as far as 20 nautical miles from a storm whilst flying in clear conditions, similarly lightening can also be encountered in clear air whilst flying in vicinity of thunderstorms.

At times a perfectly servicable on board weather radar depending upon interpretation of the displayed images can be mis read. NO pilot in his right mind flies through a CB regardless of how macho one is. These things can happen as there can be a number of mitigating circumstances. Depending on ATC radars as some have weather suppressors assistance can be sought, however once inadvertently if entered a CB, the best course of action is continue straight ahead maintaining wings level and should break out, turning is not the best option.

The extent of damage seems significant however that's utter BS that the flight deck windows were shattered or broken as reported. That is some tough material (plexi glass) and can take one hell of a beating.

Lets see what the outcome is, but I'm sure the crew must have felt the presence of god close range, passengers poor souls I don't wish to comment!

inducedrag · Post by **inducedrag** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:18 am

Editor : Copyright Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â© Smartcockpit.com / Ludovic ANDRE PAGE 6 version 01

HAIL

If you manage to miss the wind shear, ice, tornadoes, microbursts and lightning, the threat of hail
always looms. Several years ago, a DC-9 crew flew their airplane into a thunderstorm and suffered
the total loss of both engines when large hailstones completely destroyed the compressors.

In May 1975, a Boeing 727 encountered hail at 22,000 feet. The outside windshields were broken,
and the radome disintegrated. The radar antenna, itself, was severely damaged. Engine intakes
were peened flat, as were the tail and wing leading edges. The hail broke through the fuselage and
the front radar pressure bulkhead, causing a depressurization.
A DC-8 encountered hail and lightning in clear air and sustained damage as described by the
captain after to the ground from the number-three engine, and several pieces of metal were hanging
loose or missing. The leading edges of the wings and tail were beaten in as with a hammer."

Hail can be (and often is) thrown into clear -air as far as 10 miles from a large thunderstorm. And
you cannot see it coming. Happily, if you avoid thunderstorms by a suitable margin, you will avoid
any hail damage. Isn't that a nice coincidence?

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:37 am

^ Thank you R.F. and inducedrag for sharing interesting info.

How much other areas of AP-BHX like wing/tail leading edges have been damaged? Are engine fan blades also damaged? Any further details of the extent of damage and how long it's going to take to get this aircraft back on active duty?

Abbas

SENIOR · Post by **SENIOR** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:01 am

PK710 MAN-LHE 04JUL08 B773 is being re-routed MAN-MXP-LHE to pick up any stranded passengers.

AM · Post by AM » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:24 am

Abbas, The extent of damage is quite extensive and this was the reason KLM declined straight away and requested help from PIA to retrieve thier aircraft. Engineering has also contacted Boeing so that all actions for retrieval are in mutual consistency .Boeing has also despatched its local rep in Italy to milan.Thier is damage on engine neceles and Engine internal inspections shall be carried out by the PIA engineers reaching Milan.Once the team is in Milan hopefully retrieval shall be quick with temporary repairs and flying back as a ferry flight.