AirBlue jet down in Islamabad

[meekal ahmed]

Being in Islamabad on a private visit, I asked a friend to drive me up to the site of the crash. If he got the site right, I was left dumb-founded. I could not believe where he had hit. About 3-5 miles to my LEFT was the Faisal Mosque. That is about where he should have been turning LEFT and away from the hills, onto base.

Abbas, could you please send me the name of the publishers of Capt.Sadik's books? Thanks.

[Abbas Ali]

Abbas, could you please send me the name of the publishers of Capt.Sadik's books? Thanks.

Sama Books, Karachi, contact details including phone number on following link:

http://www.samabooks.com/newsite/contact.php

Abbas

[meekal ahmed]

Thanks a millon, Abbas.

[Abbas Ali]

Video of Shaheen Air Boeing 737-200 flight NL-121 from Karachi landing on Runway 30 of Benazir Bhutto International Air Port (BBIAP), Islamabad, on July 28, 2010.

AirBlue Airbus A321-231 (AP-BJB) flight ED-202 had crashed into Margalla Hills few minutes before this landing made by Shaheen Air on Runway 30 of Islamabad Airport.

Runway 12 was active when ill-fated AirBlue flight was attempting to land at Islamabad Airport. Runway 12 is the other side of Runway 30.

Here's the video of Shaheen Air Boeing 737-200 landing, the video gives viewers idea about weather conditions around Islamabad Airport at that time.



Thanks to Salman Qasim and Aamir Ahmed for the video.

Abbas

[novakaan]

In a standardization meeting my chief instructor mentioned the incident implying it was pretty much a done deal. He said the radio altimeter warned the captain and he chose to ignore it. I am assuming he meant that the sensitive altimeter was incorrectly calibrated and the captain chose to follow it instead.

I intended to ask him the source of his information later, but forgot. I also need to read the last half of the thread, but is there any such version out there? I am also assuming his information was based on the CVR,

Dear bravo45,

Did you confirm the source with your chief instructor? I also feared that crew might had faced such a situation (incorrectly calibrated altimeter) on-board and even posted my thoughts here (for some reason, I can't find my older posts, may be they were lost during the time when the forum was not available).

Dear Abbas Ali, could you please help me getting my posts back?

Regards,

nova

[Abbas Ali]

I can't find my older posts, may be they were lost during the time when the forum was not available).

Dear Abbas Ali, could you please help me getting my posts back?

Regards,

nova

Nova, unfortunately posts made between September 1 and September 8, 2010, were lost due to website hosting company's server hard drives failure in early hours of September 8. I restored forum with database back-up made on August 31, 2010. It was not possible to recover messages that were posted between September 1 and September 8, 2010.

Abbas

[novakaan]

I can't find my older posts, may be they were lost during the time when the forum was not available).

Dear Abbas Ali, could you please help me getting my posts back?

Regards,

nova

Nova, unfortunately posts made between September 1 and September 8, 2010, were lost due to website hosting company's server hard drives failure in early hours of September 8. I restored forum with database back-up made on August 31, 2010. It was not possible to recover messages that were posted between September 1 and September 8, 2010.

Abbas

Dear Abbas,

Thank you for the reply.

Regards,

nova

[Abbas Ali]

Wreckage of crashed AirBlue Airbus A321-231 (AP-BJB) has been placed near Faisal Mosque in Islamabad.

According to Express News channel, wreckage was air lifted from aircraft's Margalla Hills crash site with the help of helicopters and placed near Faisal Mosque. Investigation authorities intend to reconstruct wreckage remains.

In case of AirBlue accident, reconstucting wreckage appears to be a time wasting work. Crashed aircraft's CVR and FDR should have provided good amount of information to investigators about last moments of the aircraft and what maneuvers/movements were made by the aircraft during last moments of flight before crashing into Margalla Hills. So far all information in news reports and statements of ground witnesses indicate the accident happened due to Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT).

Crashed aircraft's wreckage was reassembled in those incidents where invesitgators wanted to locate point of internal explosion or to investigate possibility of external object hitting the aircraft. In the past, wreckage of TWA Boeing 747 (Year 1996 - TWA Flight 800) and Pan Am Boeing 747 (Year 1988 - Pan Am Flight 103) were assembled to locate point of internal explosion.

APP photos taken on January 23, 2011 showing wreckage of AirBlue Airbus A321-231 (AP-BJB) placed near Faisal Mosque in Islamabad.



Wing section.


Engines.




Source: The Nation

Abbas

[meekal ahmed]

great pictures Abbas.

And you are quite right. Re-assembling the wreckage is a complete waste of time.

Or may be they are just laying it out. Wonder what they will do to it since the CVR and DFDR tells them all they need to know.

Sell it for scrap?

[inducedrag]

Wreckage of crashed AirBlue Airbus A321-231 (AP-BJB) has been placed near Faisal Mosque in Islamabad.

In case of AirBlue accident, reconstucting wreckage appears to be a time wasting work. Crashed aircraft's CVR and FDR should have provided good amount of information to investigators about last moments of the aircraft and what maneuvers/movements were made by the aircraft during last moments of flight before crashing into Margalla Hills. So far all information in news reports and statements of ground witnesses indicate the accident happened due to Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT).

CAA should just make public ATC & Cockpit voice recordings and the readings from Flight Data Recordings

[nopy99]

maybe a cynical view but possibly they are laying it out for reconstruction training purposes.

non cynical view may be that they are trying to validate physical charecteristics of the impact against data from the recorders. for example was the impact in nose up attitude due to emergency control input by the crew.

[TAILWIND]

............. they are trying to validate physical charecteristics of the impact against data from the recorders. for example was the impact in nose up attitude due to emergency control input by the crew.

I dont think the expertise or facilities exist in country for that

[Pineapple]

^ You dont need super-ultra-hi-tech industrial facility for just investigating the impact of this aircraft. Just a testing lab in a university with adequate equipemt and classic laws of physics be enough.

However for other sensitive electronic equipment like blackboxes decoding, yes they may only be worked on by experts from AirBus in France.

[TAILWIND]

^ ............. just investigating the impact of this aircraft........

I am afraid, investigating the impact from wreckege is not a JUST1

[meekal ahmed]

Looks like this thread is (almost) dead.................and still no closure for the families.

Any one know about the position of an accident report of some sort?

Another Pakistani accident risks fading into the mist of time..................