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Abbas Ali wrote:
Boomin Bomber IJ wrote: Umar,

I seem to have a knack for making enemies and Abbas is going to kick me out pretty soon! :mrgreen:

Honestly, your level of English seems to betray you.
For your information Umar has been fighting against Usher syndrome and that's why his message posting style is different. But I appreciate Umar's passion for aviation.
Boomin Bomber IJ wrote:Why are you sitting in the cockpit without a uniform??? Even I can have a picture like that!

Sorry, but I had to say it!
You really don't need to make such comments.

So, kindly keep your posts related to topic subject.

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Dear brother Umar,

I am really, really, really sorry for what I said about you. I truly had no hint about your problem and just wanted to have a good laugh. My sincerest apologies to you bro!

All,

The very first post I read from Umar was this:
umar744 wrote:sad sorry my old friend capt. pervaiz iqbal chaudhry of house 56-W Phase III DHA Lahore Cantt near my parent's home W555 died crashed AirBlue A321 AP-BJB. He flew PIA from 1969 to 2008 then joined AirBlue contract till 26 Dec 2010 he will be 62 years old retired on 27 Dec 2010. Very sorry sympathetic to Capt.Pervaiz's wife and four sons and one daughter. I flew with him many times PIA 747 LHE LHR LHE also my father flew with him long time ago. I will find photo of him and send to Historyofpia. I have requested Historyofpia to put his picture of PIA pilot here hopefully. Yes I flew my TG A333 new brand HS-TEP very bad weather to LHE diverted to Dubai then Karachi then flew to LHE then tonight I fly back to BKK. Yes very bad weather last Monday and yesterday.
Can you please explain what the sentence I have underlined means? It only conveyed to me the impression that Umar was a commercial pikot with a foreign airline. You can see why even the thought of him having some problem never occurred to me, and I still need some explaination to the above to fully believe.

Anyhow, if Umar has a problem as many of you told, I apologize not just to Umar but to all of you for trying to be funny.

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^ Umar travelled as a passenger on Thai flight.
nopy99 wrote:Has the FDR been recovered yet? I dread to think that it will not be recovered due to the looting that was reported in the media.
Yes, there were reports of at least one man detained from crash site for trying to steal passengers' belongings like bags and other items. But, I think a petty thief would not be interested in stealing CVR or FDR which appears as a simple small metal box.

However, large number of people did arrive at crash site purely with aim to find and help any survivors and assist search/rescue operation, according to news media.

I believe the situation was controlled after the arrival of search/rescue/security officials.

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Re: AirBlue jet down in Islamabad

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Abbas Ali wrote:
Boomin Bomber IJ wrote: Umar,

I seem to have a knack for making enemies and Abbas is going to kick me out pretty soon! :mrgreen:

Honestly, your level of English seems to betray you.
For your information Umar has been fighting against Usher syndrome and that's why his message posting style is different. But I appreciate Umar's passion for aviation.
Boomin Bomber IJ wrote:Why are you sitting in the cockpit without a uniform??? Even I can have a picture like that!

Sorry, but I had to say it!
You really don't need to make such comments.

So, kindly keep your posts related to topic subject.

Abbas
Abbas Bhai,
Point well noted!
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Re: AirBlue jet down in Islamabad

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Yesterday Mr Nazir Naji wrote his colunm in daily Jang about this incident. For those who can read Urdu the link is below:

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2010-dai ... 0/col2.htm

Mr Naji in his story has cooked a conspiracy theory that can be summarized below:

1. It was an attempted act of terrorism aimed to target some high value venue within the presidential enclave of Islamabad.
2. There was a bunch of people found chanting slogans of Allah o Akbar close to the wreckage of ill fated jetliner seen by the people who first arrived at the site
3. He suspects a Rashid Minhas in the cockpit and IMO he refers to the retired Srdn Leader on the right seat.
4. Due to appearance of late Captain Chaudhary (long beard) and some of the reporting about his personality characteristics he suspects him to be an extremist.

Now important question is where the FDR has gone? If this is true that some suspecious people were chanting slogans, had they grasped it and took that away?

I normally not read or believe even if read the writings of sellable pens of Mr Naji, Irfan Siddiqui and many others on Jang editorial page, so dont take this very seriousely
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umar744 wrote:yes or no do you know many airrcraft have been diverted to other airport Karachi or Lahore or Peshawar or Delhi or Dubai or Muscat from Islamabad many times
Islamabad airport always big problem delay over bad weather many times
1)fog
2)thunderstorm
3)heavy rain
NOW today Air Traffic Control and AirBlue and CAA and ISB airport and everybody LEARN lesson EXPERIENCE of AirBlue crashed and they get EXTRA lookafter takecare carefully. NO-ONE can help assist anymore.
I REMEMBER I was STRANDED in Islamabad airport for 17 hours due to bad weather then Captain Tariq Majeed (now Qatar 777)ex-PIA 777 drove his car with me from his house Islamabad to Lahore to Capt.Tariq Majeed's parent's house in Model Town in 2005 and next day Capt. Tariq Majeed and me flew PIA AP-BGK from Lahore to Manchester when APBGK diverted to Lahore on route from Karachi to Islamabad.
YES or NO do you KNOW SEALEVEL is 1,700feet high ground in Islamabad. all pilot must turn switch from zero to 1,700feet on ALT Feet machine in cockpit and all pilot aware remember all mountain hill 3,000 to 4,000 feet sealevel MUST fly MINIMUM 5,000 feet
Your Forum "Disabled" me YES it's DDA=Disabled Discrimination Act but Equal Opportunites but all you and everyone and me are "BUSINESS and FRIENDLY"
IF you DO NOT know or believe any problem many times in Islamabad and Lahore many times then up to you like. IT same ALL world have problem. Better Pray God and lookafter and take care yourself and everyone and myself happy smile I have NO problem myself.
Capt. Pervaiz Iqbal Chaudhry did NOT inform tell let his real cousin Capt. Nayyar Iqbal PIA 777 and Qamar Malik deaf about Capt. Pervaiz Iqbal Chaudhry joined AirBlue and moved from Lahore to Karachi.
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Dear bro Umar,

I have already apologized, but this is a direct one to you; hope you will forgive!

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According DG CAA, Cockpit Voice recorder and Black Box found .
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According to DG CAA, the Black Box of crashed flight of AirBlue has been recovered from Margalla Hills.
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pk363 wrote:Yesterday Mr Nazir Naji wrote his colunm in daily Jang about this incident. For those who can read Urdu the link is below:

Now important question is where the FDR has gone? If this is true that some suspecious people were chanting slogans, had they grasped it and took that away?
If this was the case, I do not think the people at the site would take the FDR. Why would they want to do so? You know very well extremists like the world to know of their acts! Besides, how would a horde of common people recognize an FDR from any other box, and find it in burning wreckage? No amount of rain would extinguish and cool down a burning airliner immediately. Hell, the Black Box is not even black!

Maybe the FDR has already been found but somebody has been told to bury the truth? The question is why would they hide if it was a simple matter of weather, human error or a technical failure in the aircraft? :-k

Well, this is just conjecture! :-$

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ammad wrote:According DG CAA, Cockpit Voice recorder and Black Box found .
This is good news!
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Air hostess' widower flies to Islamabad

He was job hunting in Dubai when he heard his 24-year-old wife had died

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Al Ain: A tiny ray of hope vanished on Wednesday afternoon for Faraz Ahmad — whose wife was an air hostess on the ill-fated aircraft — when authorities announced that all 152 people on board, including six crew members, had been killed.
Ahmad, who was in Dubai on a visit, and his cousin Mohammad Ali, a Dubai resident, were praying and hoping that Jawaria Faraz, was among the handful of people initially thought to have been rescued with critical injuries from the wreckage of the plane.
Standing at Dubai airport to catch the first available flight to Islamabad, Ahmad was praying for a miracle. However, his hopes were dashed as a few hours later it was announced that nobody had survived the crash.
Speechless with grief Ahmad took a flight to Islamabad at 4.30pm.
Ali said 24-year-old Jawaria and Ahmad had married several years ago. They have a daughter back in their hometown of Karachi,
"Ahmad had not met with Jawaria for the last couple of weeks since he was here on a visit," he said.
Ahmad had recently resigned from a private Pakistani television channel. He was working as the director of entertainment.
"He was on a job hunt in Dubai unaware of what fate had in store for him," he said.
Ali said Jawaria was a lively person and the couple were enjoying their life.
"I am shocked and unable to believe what has happened," he said.

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My Dearest all you,

Salam hello to all you

I would like to tell inform let you know that I say "sorry" I am very sorry sad of ALL AirBlue flight number ED202 A321 all passengers, crew and cockpit crew loss of life and my apologise & forgive to Capt.Pervaiz Iqbal Chaudrhy's all family and wife and relatives and friends for lost of Capt.Pervaiz Iqbal Chaudhry. I am very sorry that I DO NOT know what happen of ED202 crashed because everyone world billion people said "GOD". I cannot say anything because unknow details. Better FIA, FAA, CAA, CIA, FBI, KGB, 007, CNN, all world news can try to invesitage. May God bless you and take care and best wishes regards
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CVR and FDR of Flight ED-202 Recovered From Crash Site

Both Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and Flight Data Recorder (FDR) have been recovered and shown to media at crash site on July 31, 2010. The team had to use cutting tools to recover CVR and FDR from tail section of crashed aircraft.

Here are video stills of recovery team members showing CVR and FDR to media people. The CVR and FDR will be sent to Germany or France for decoding according to CAA.

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'Black box' found in Pakistan plane crash wreckage

By ASIF SHAHZAD

ISLAMABAD –
Recovery workers found the "black box" flight data recorder Saturday in the wreckage of Pakistan's worst-ever plane crash, and it appeared to be in good condition, officials said.

An analysis of the data on the recorder could provide clues as to why the Airblue flight crashed Wednesday into the hills overlooking the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, killing all 152 people onboard, including two Americans. The recorder's decoding may take weeks, however.

The black box was found during a difficult recovery effort hampered by rain, mud and a lack of proper roads in the heavily forested Margalla Hills. It has been handed to aviation officials, said Ramzan Sajid, a spokesman for the Capital Development Authority, a government agency. He said the box was found in wreckage of the plane's tail section.

Pakistan does not have the proper expertise to decode information stored on the recorder, so it plans to send it to another country that does, according to the Civil Aviation Authority.

The authority's spokesman, Pervez George, said Friday the decoding process could take a month.

The plane — an Airbus A321 model — was ordered to take an alternative approach to the runway at Islamabad airport but apparently veered off course, the Civil Aviation Authority said earlier this week.

Officials said the plane, which was flying to Islamabad from the southern Pakistani city of Karachi, lost contact with the control tower before the crash, which occurred during stormy weather.

The impact of the crash was devastating, scorching a wide swath of the hillside and scattering wreckage over a half-mile (1-kilometer) stretch. Most bodies were so badly damaged that identification will require DNA testing, officials said.

Airblue is a Pakistan-based carrier that has flown since 2004. The airline has said the plane that crashed had no known technical problems.

Source: Yahoo! News

Here's an older news report about location of aircraft's tail section where CVR and FDR are placed.

Tail recovery raises hopes for black box

By Syed Irfan Raza and Muhammad Asghar

ISLAMABAD, July 30:
The mystery of missing ‘black box’ is almost over as the tail of the plane that crashed into the Margalla Hills was found on Friday.

“We have found the plane’s tail which caries the black box,” Airblue’s chief executive Shahid Khakan Abbasi said at a press conference on Friday.

He said the tail of the airliner lay buried under mud and burnt trees. The tail carries the flight data recorder, or black box.

At another press conference, Civil Aviation Authority director general Junaid Amin claimed that conversation between the pilot of Airblue flight ED-202 and air traffic control staff was normal and there was no panic and distress during the landing.

However, he said, the investigation team would look into all aspects, including sabotage, ground fire and material failure.

The Capital Development Authority provided cutters and other tools to the staff of CAA and Airblue to cut the tail and recover the black box.

“I am hopeful that it will be taken out of the tail soon,” Mr Abbasi said, adding that details of the investigation would be made public.

In his first public appearance after the crash, the owner of Airblue put the entire responsibility of the disaster on the pilot and claimed that he was not stopped by the control tower of Benazir Bhutto Airport from landing the plane. He said there was no technical fault in the airliner.

“The landing decision is solely taken by the pilot and, therefore, no other person or authority can be blamed for the plane’s being taken to the Margalla Hills instead of landing at the airport,” he said.

Brushing aside rumours that the pilot, Captain Pervez Iqbal Chaudhry, was suffering from fatigue, he said the pilot had rested for 36 hours before the flight.

When asked about reports that the airline had not followed international safety rules, Mr Abbasi said Airblue had never violated any international rules.

He said the pilot was 61 years old while the standard age at the international level was 65 years.

Thirty-four-year-old co-pilot Mujttahid Chughtai had served in the Pakistan Air Force as F-16 jet fighter pilot.

Mr Abbasi said the bodies of 102 passengers had been handed over to their relatives. Samples for DNA tests of 62 individuals have been sent to the laboratory.

“The airline will pay insurance money to heirs of the plane crash victims,” he said.

BLACK AREAS: A pilot of PIA revealed that there were some ‘black spots’ within a radius of 17km around Benazir International Airport where Global Positioning System (GPS) of planes stopped working.

A seven-member team, headed by Air Commodore Khawaja Abdul Majid and comprising Capt Sardar M. Ilyas, group captain Mujahid Islam, engineer Tahir Abbas, ATS Amanullah Alvi, Capt Sohail Sarwer and doctor Afzal Bhogio, has been formed to investigate the crash.

The team visited the crash site on Friday and took photographs of the wreckage and drew sketches.

“Their first priority is to preserve the wreckage of the plane which was scattered on a 400-foot radius on the Margalla Hills. Engines, tail, cockpit and other major parts of the plane are lying there and everything is important for the investigation,” CAA director general Amin said. “The bulk-head which contains the black box has been found.” The DG said that a five-member team from France had arrived and engine experts from the United States and Germany will come soon.

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Re: AirBlue jet down in Islamabad

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Abbas Ali said 1000feet but How about sea level 1,700feet in Islamabad. I think perhaps maybe A321 was 2,700feet flight. Can you check how many sea level feet in Islamabad and Marghal hill mountain?
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Islamabad is at an altitude of about 600 m (1968 ft) and the Margalla Range is about 680 (2230 ft) on the western side - 1600 m (5246 fty) on the eastern side (away from the airport).

Problems with altimeter, perhaps?
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pk363 wrote:Yesterday Mr Nazir Naji wrote his colunm in daily Jang about this incident. For those who can read Urdu the link is below:

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2010-dai ... 0/col2.htm
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Mr Naji in his story has cooked a conspiracy theory that can be summarized below:

1. It was an attempted act of terrorism aimed to target some high value venue within the presidential enclave of Islamabad.
2. There was a bunch of people found chanting slogans of Allah o Akbar close to the wreckage of ill fated jetliner seen by the people who first arrived at the site
3. He suspects a Rashid Minhas in the cockpit and IMO he refers to the retired Srdn Leader on the right seat.
4. Due to appearance of late Captain Chaudhary (long beard) and some of the reporting about his personality characteristics he suspects him to be an extremist.

Now important question is where the FDR has gone? If this is true that some suspecious people were chanting slogans, had they grasped it and took that away?

I normally not read or believe even if read the writings of sellable pens of Mr Naji, Irfan Siddiqui and many others on Jang editorial page, so dont take this very seriousely
Nazir Naji is the biggest sell out inb the media. He used to lick Nawaz Shareefs boots, then chaudry's and now a days AZ. in the article he is too worried about close vicinity of US embassy and Presidency, both his paymasters. Remember his audio tapes which appeared a year ago in which he while fully drunk, was abusing a fellow reporter on questions over his plots.
In this article he has suspected the late pilot because he had a pious looking religious appearance.
I am tempted to add KH before Mr Najiz's first name.