Air France A332 Missing over Atlantic

TAILWIND · Post by **TAILWIND** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:02 am

ConnieMan wrote:... in my opinion aircraft crashed intact and didn't disintegrated or at least fuselage diden't when it hit the water and all submerged intact until afterwords ...........I won't be surprised to know that they will find whole airplane in one area under the sea instead of scattered and littered on the sea bed...

I think thats not correct. Remember Swiss Air flight 111 crash off the Canadian coast. The Impact with the water caused 350g accelaration. Once the aircraft hits the water at high speeds, it causes massive g forces and disintegration.

Lufthansa Cargo · Post by **Lufthansa Cargo** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:59 am

TAILWIND Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject:

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ConnieMan wrote:
... in my opinion aircraft crashed intact and didn't disintegrated or at least fuselage diden't when it hit the water and all submerged intact until afterwords ...........I won't be surprised to know that they will find whole airplane in one area under the sea instead of scattered and littered on the sea bed...

I think thats not correct. Remember Swiss Air flight 111 crash off the Canadian coast. The Impact with the water caused 350g accelaration. Once the aircraft hits the water at high speeds, it causes massive g forces and disintegration.

Tailwind Id have to agree with you. Guys if the A330 nosedived intact which I have a feeling it did, upon impact the cockpit windshield would be the first thing to go which might also cause explosive decompression depending on if the a/c was still preasurized. This sudden preasure of water would be enough to break up the aircraft. But if it broke up like this the debri field should be entirely nearby, but then of course that depends on the weight of the debri and the water current as well.

Upon this happening the Oxygen bottles might explode as well.

ConnieMan · Post by **ConnieMan** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:52 am

Then again back to my question, "Why it took 7 days for bodies to come up to the surface and actual aircraft parts to surface also!!", if it disintegrated upon impact with water, wouldn't you think bodies and derbies would have been found floating with in day or so and not after 7 DAYS!!...

Things is not adding up with this one at this time....

ConnieMan · Post by **ConnieMan** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:56 am

TAILWIND wrote: I think thats not correct. Remember Swiss Air flight 111 crash off the Canadian coast. The Impact with the water caused 350g accelaration. Once the aircraft hits the water at high speeds, it causes massive g forces and disintegration.

Swiss 111's wreckage and bodies were found with in hours after the crash, it was close to shoreline also compare to AF447's situation...

AP-BGL · Post by **AP-BGL** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:29 am

Connieman, Problem here was that the actual location of the point where AF 447 crashed couldn't be identified for two days at least after the crash. Secondly the area was so large that it took this much time for the concerned forces to find out the debris. Thirdly, the weather at that particular point had been violent and marine ships could only go there at the spot of incident and this spot took three days to be reached from the Brazilian coast. It was around 450Km I guess.

TAILWIND · Post by **TAILWIND** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:00 pm

ConnieMan wrote:Then again back to my question, "Why it took 7 days for bodies to come up to the surface and actual aircraft parts to surface also!!", if it disintegrated upon impact with water, wouldn't you think bodies and derbies would have been found floating with in day or so and not after 7 DAYS!!...

Things is not adding up with this one at this time....

I am talking pure physics, given the size, impact speed and most importantly, the angle of approach, the water surface is just like concrete. Try jumping into a swimming pool from 6-8 feet diving board on your belly/chest and you would realise what I am saying.

Hikmah · Post by **Hikmah** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:23 am

I heard on the grapevine, and don't know how accurate this information is, but the first thing they lost according to the ACARS was the rudder limiter. Link that with the finding of the rudder yesterday and it starts to paint a picture. Guess they'll be able to do some tests on that rudder and find out why it detached.

Lufthansa Cargo · Post by **Lufthansa Cargo** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:34 am

Hikmah Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject:

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I heard on the grapevine, and don't know how accurate this information is, but the first thing they lost according to the ACARS was the rudder limiter. Link that with the finding of the rudder yesterday and it starts to paint a picture. Guess they'll be able to do some tests on that rudder and find out why it detached.

That would be most likely due to the severe turbulance.

SENIOR · Post by **SENIOR** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:35 pm

A woman who missed her Flight 447 is killed in a car crash

An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week has been killed in a car accident, it has been reported.

Johanna Ganthaler, a pensioner from Bolzano-Bozen province, had been on holiday in Brazil with her husband Kurt and missed Air France Flight 447 after turning up late at Rio de Janeiro airport on May 31.

All 228 people aboard lost their lives after the plane crashed into the Atlantic four hours into its flight to Paris.

The ANSA news agency reported that the couple had managed to pick up a flight from Rio the following day.

It said that Ms Ganthaler died when their car veered across a road in Kufstein, Austria, and swerved into an oncoming truck. Her husband was seriously injured.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 479203.ece

Lufthansa Cargo · Post by **Lufthansa Cargo** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:41 am

Anybody hear anything new on this tragic incident?

raihans · Post by **raihans** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:44 am

SENIOR wrote:A woman who missed her Flight 447 is killed in a car crash

some sort of story like Final Destination

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:36 pm

What an irony. The grim reaper was really after her.

yousaf465 · Post by **yousaf465** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:17 am

Air France disaster: Flight 447 injuries hint at mid-air break-up

Injuries to some of the 50 bodies recovered from the wrecked Air France plane which went missing over the Atlantic suggest it broke up in mid-air.

Postmortems on some of the remains, found off Brazil's coast, revealed leg, hip and arm fractures.

Frank Ciacco, a former forensic expert at the US National Transportation Safety Board, said: "Intact bodies and multiple fractures are a good indicator of mid-flight break up."

Four hundred pieces of the wrecked Airbus 330, which disappeared after taking off from Rio de Janeiro bound for Paris, have been recovered.

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Alexander Bjroy, 11, a pupil at Bristol's Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£5,970-aterm Clifton College, was among the 228 dead.

Former accident investigator Jack Casey said: "Getting ejected into that kind of wind stream is like hitting a brick wall."

However, an explosion has not yet been ruled out.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -21453153/

riz · Post by **riz** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:08 pm

any reports by NTSB yet?

Lufthansa Cargo · Post by **Lufthansa Cargo** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:52 am

Did Air France temporarily ground their airbus fleet? Reason why I ask is that since the accident, yesterday was the first time I saw AF using their Airbus fleet to JFK. It was an A343. They were using their Boeing aircrafts.