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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by Shaheer » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:03 am

There is a site which is using volunteers to scan the satellite imagery of the possible crash site to locate the wreckage or life rafts.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

We should try and help if possible

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by Lufthansa Cargo » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:33 pm

H Khan wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... -balotelli


Well, according to Malaysian air defense radars aka RMAF Chief they have located the last known location of the missing MAS B-777. It is somewhere in Straits of Malacca which is west of province of Selangor which is roughly 450 miles west from the last known position of the flight.

A little information, the military or Air Defense radars are capable of location air objects which are normally not identified by civilian air traffic radars. Military uses IFF system to identify aircrafts not transponders.

Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) has has some of the most sophisticated air defense radars available in the market. Their ThalesRaytheonSystems (TRS) radars which supports Malaysian Air Defense Ground Environment Sector Operations Center III (MADGE) program are really top of the line.

Unless I see tangible evidence of a wreckage I'm of the this temporary view that something very extraordinary happened to this airliner it might might might be an episode of hijacking.
I have to agree as well. You have a pilot with over 30 yrs experience. Is it possible that he might have flown under the radar in a desperate attempt to keep his passengers and crew safe from hi-jackers on board?
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GF: A340, B767 AA: AB6 KU: B772 ER, AB6, A320 LH: B744, A343 EK: A345, B772, A332 PK: B74M, B743, B772 MH: A330 E4: DC9 QR: B77W, A332. PA: A320

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by umar744 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:10 pm

last 9th August 2012 I flew Thai Airways from Bangkok to Shanghai PVG and I was shocked saw Malaysia 777 9M-MRO wing bang collision hit China Eastern A340-600's winglet then Malaysia 777 9M-MRO wing small cut off damaged ground park no flight few months to repaired and flew and maybe perhaps it skin wings crack damaged unknown please click here is

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by t_kaay » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:10 am

Lufthansa Cargo wrote:

I have to agree as well. You have a pilot with over 30 yrs experience. Is it possible that he might have flown under the radar in a desperate attempt to keep his passengers and crew safe from hi-jackers on board?
I don't quite follow you? Why would the pilot want to fly undetected if the "hijackers" are already on board? Surely he would want to be tracked? Unless the hijackers forced him to turn the transponder off? But if it's a hijack, wheres the demand? No contact or demand yet?

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by Lufthansa Cargo » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:22 am

That's the thing. Nobody knows whom or what the crew were up against. But many reports are making it sound like someone has turned off the transponder. This makes me think that there might have been a forced entry into the cockpit by someone that knows the aircraft type. Even if the pilots were forced to turn off the transponder I'm sure that the captain with over 30 yes experience would have tried to turn it back on when the supposedly hi-jackers were not looking.
The question is why didn't he?

Is it possible that any group that was going to claim responsibility may have backed out of it?
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GF: A340, B767 AA: AB6 KU: B772 ER, AB6, A320 LH: B744, A343 EK: A345, B772, A332 PK: B74M, B743, B772 MH: A330 E4: DC9 QR: B77W, A332. PA: A320

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by Raza_Ali » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:01 pm

Doesnt it seem mysterious like the disappearence of aircraft in the Triangle of Bermuda. This aircraft has also mysteriously disappeared without a trace over a piece of sea. Could it be another Bermuda of the east though previously there has been no such incident in this area.

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by Lufthansa Cargo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:50 am

Latest reports are now showing that the crew may have turned back and flew for several hours towards the Indian Ocean. It appears that they might have been flying blind in an attempt to return to Kuala Lumpur. Reports also state that their are beacons that are suppose to be activated upon impact with water or land which have not been activated yet suggesting that the aircraft might be still intact.
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GF: A340, B767 AA: AB6 KU: B772 ER, AB6, A320 LH: B744, A343 EK: A345, B772, A332 PK: B74M, B743, B772 MH: A330 E4: DC9 QR: B77W, A332. PA: A320

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by smhusain_1 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:35 pm

March 16, 1130 EST.
Today the media in North America is quoting Malaysian authorities as having searched the pilots homes. I find this very high handed, considering there is no evidence at all to consider them responsible for the disappearance of the airliner. The talk also focuses on suicide as a motive. Suicide is an impulsive act in my opinion and not contemplated for any length of time. The aircraft apparently flew for some length of time after the last radio response. PALPA or IFALPA may have to come out with a statement on this alleged criminal affront.

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by H Khan » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:48 am

Captain smhussian_1 sahib.

There is the standard operating procedure to start checking when something extra ordinary happens like this fateful MAS flight. In fact, MAS and Malaysian security authorities should have started the linage process within 24 hours of the missing airliners.

They should have gone back at least 14 days and started with the linage process and see who flew the airliners, who amongst the ground crew touched this specific airliner (B-777) and who are their acquaintance. The reason (this is may guess) they visited the pilot's home specifically the captain was to check if he ever took this route of flying west and deviating from the scheduled assignment flight plan of MH370 on his home FlighSM.


They should be checking for the past several months of PAX flight manifests of MH370 is to see if some known suspects have flown it as a dry flight to see how this flight operates.

MAS and Malaysian security authorities have dropped the ball in this case from the time get go. The moment MH370 turned off the ACARS (which is not an easy task), it transponder, and even its TCAS, they should have red alerted their air forces air defense units and initiated a scramble of its (MiG-29 and F/A-18) fighter aircrafts to investigate is where is this B-777 and not responding to their ATC requests. In fact, Thai ATC and its air force are also guilty of this serious complacency.

When VP Biden's B-757 turned-off its transponder by accident for 90 sec while flying out there was an immediate alert at Andrew AFB.


Turning off security and safety apparatus while in flight is an deliberate attempt and they are supposedly reactions initiated by the ground control which the Thai and Malaysian authorities failed miserably to perform.


I don't think that the authorities came down with a heavy hand but they should be very sensitive to the pilots familes feelings and emotions.
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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by smhusain_1 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:37 am

A home is a sacrosanct place. There is no evidence as yet what may have happened. This is Malaysia, and a Muslim country and privacy of individuals, their families cannot be violated in this manner.
H Khan wrote:Captain smhussian_1 sahib.

I have a degree in Homeland Security and work as independent contractor for US Dept HLS some times DoD plus DoS. This is the standard operating procedure to start checking when something extra ordinary happens like this fateful MAS flight. In fact, MAS and Malaysian security authorities should have started the linage process within 24 hours of the missing airliners.

They should have gone back at least 14 days and started with the linage process and see who flew the airliners, who amongst the ground crew touched this specific airliner (B-777) and who are their acquaintance. The reason (this is may guess) they visited the pilot's home specifically the captain was to check if he ever took this route of flying west and deviating from the scheduled assignment flight plan of MH370 on his home FlighSM.


They should be checking for the past several months of PAX flight manifests of MH370 is to see if some known suspects have flown it as a dry flight to see how this flight operates.

MAS and Malaysian security authorities have dropped the ball in this case from the time get go. The moment MH370 turned off the ACARS (which is not an easy task), it transponder, and even its TCAS, they should have red alerted their air forces air defense units and initiated a scramble of its (MiG-29 and F/A-18) fighter aircrafts to investigate is where is this B-777 and not responding to their ATC requests. In fact, Thai ATC and its air force are also guilty of this serious complacency.

When VP Biden's B-757 turned-off its transponder by accident for 90 sec while flying out there was an immediate alert at Andrew AFB.


Turning off security and safety apparatus while in flight is an deliberate attempt and they are supposedly reactions initiated by the ground control which the Thai and Malaysian authorities failed miserably to perform.


I don't think that the authorities came down with a heavy hand but they should be very sensitive to the pilots familes feelings and emotions.

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by TAILWIND » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:44 am

The polite word for this is 'background' check.
Moreover whatever 'facts' are known yet, lead to assume that someone on board, well familiar with the aircraft systems played a role in the initial blacking out of communication and then subsequent diversion. This means either a hijacker who coerced the pilots or either or both of the pilot themselves. Hence carrying a background check through personal belongings etc is natural.
One thing more, respect for privacy, human rights etc etc is a novel concept applied only to others. Once it comes to your own backyard, such novelties are seldom a consideration
smhusain_1 wrote:A home is a sacrosanct place. There is no evidence as yet what may have happened. This is Malaysia, and a Muslim country and privacy of individuals, their families cannot be violated in this manner.
Do Muslim countries have special consideration for privacy?

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by H Khan » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:51 pm

Yes, privacy and individual dwellings should be of sacrosanct value to everyone, however, not sure what happens in Malaysia or even EU but here in the US citizens privacy are protected under the Bill of Rights. Everyone in the US is protected by fourth Amendment.


However, on the other hand if there is an essential need to protect 'life and liberty' a court can issue an order by which an individual's property can be searched.

As far as the Muslim and Malaysian culture are related both do protect and defend individuals right to privacy.

But the issue here are the lives of 230 individuals and property worth $300 million, which by all means needs to protected and made sure is to what made them vanish into think air.

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by smhusain_1 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:48 pm

Laws can be adjusted to suit whatever is desired. Yes, in absence of any evidence, searching of the pilots homes and taking away their property, harassing families for whatever reason constitutes a serious violation of privacy and human dignity under any legal, moral or religious standard. If you apply the interpretation based on Muslim tradition, you cannot even enter a house if there is no answer, what to talk of the absence of the male head.

You are not
TAILWIND wrote:The polite word for this is 'background' check.
Moreover whatever 'facts' are known yet, lead to assume that someone on board, well familiar with the aircraft systems played a role in the initial blacking out of communication and then subsequent diversion. This means either a hijacker who coerced the pilots or either or both of the pilot themselves. Hence carrying a background check through personal belongings etc is natural.
One thing more, respect for privacy, human rights etc etc is a novel concept applied only to others. Once it comes to your own backyard, such novelties are seldom a consideration
smhusain_1 wrote:A home is a sacrosanct place. There is no evidence as yet what may have happened. This is Malaysia, and a Muslim country and privacy of individuals, their families cannot be violated in this manner.
Do Muslim countries have special consideration for privacy?

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

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Re: MAS B-777-200 Missing

Post by smhusain_1 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:57 am

smhusain_1 wrote:Laws can be adjusted to suit whatever is desired. Yes, in absence of any evidence, searching of the pilots homes and taking away their property, harassing families for whatever reason constitutes a serious violation of privacy and human dignity under any legal, moral or religious standard. If you apply the interpretation based on Muslim tradition, you cannot even enter a house if there is no answer, what to talk of the absence of the male head.

TAILWIND wrote:The polite word for this is 'background' check.
Moreover whatever 'facts' are known yet, lead to assume that someone on board, well familiar with the aircraft systems played a role in the initial blacking out of communication and then subsequent diversion. This means either a hijacker who coerced the pilots or either or both of the pilot themselves. Hence carrying a background check through personal belongings etc is natural.
One thing more, respect for privacy, human rights etc etc is a novel concept applied only to others. Once it comes to your own backyard, such novelties are seldom a consideration
smhusain_1 wrote:A home is a sacrosanct place. There is no evidence as yet what may have happened. This is Malaysia, and a Muslim country and privacy of individuals, their families cannot be violated in this manner.
Do Muslim countries have special consideration for privacy?