EU to keep a "watchful eye" on PIA
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Well why to sack the ministers or the management. As i stated earlier no one in PIA is honest or dedicated to his work.....and I stand by it. I have relative as well and I say it on their face, cos that is the truth.my father left PIA long time ago and he was a senior pilot, he is happy that he got retired when PIA was at its peak.
There are 3 categories on which the aircraft defected item is released as per mel. All these categories have time frame. I need to ask the engineers how come this time barred defected item was not cleared and i want to ask the gentleman whose father is a pilot that how come the supreme authority that is the captain ignored it.
That clearly show how honest we are with our jobs. Its always the money issue in the airline and everybody is trying to make money by hook or by crook.
The engineers does not want to work at the last minute and does not want to take a blame of a delay and the pilot does not want to loose his long layover flight since he will loose dollars on it. Its that simple
We blame CAA and other authorities for this but the truth is we should blame the people who are not doing their job honestly. They should be identified and punished. CAA did a right job of suspending the flights since PIA was giving a bad name in the international market.
Now the aircraft maintenance has decided to ground all the B747 and few A310 and 777 and do a complete rectification, why now? Were they sleeping before. Havent you heard stitch in time saves nine.
Wrong grease was used,who allowed that on the 777? Did anybody questioned the technician or the engineer why they were using it.
Dear all i know you all have relatives in the airline but face the reality and dont hide it....... All these incidents and accidents are because of negligence and carelssness. We should not forget the past incident and accidents. All the big airlines they learn their lessons from their own and others mistake but we ignore them just because we believe that Allah subhantallah is with us so nothing will happen.
I have black and white documents where it shows how much corruption is done in the airline from top to the bottom and that includes everyone, even the pilots, engineers, cabin crew etc....I can scan these documents and paste them on this forum and believe me its so ugly that you will not like to see the names which are mentioned in it. They might be your relatives too.
There are 3 categories on which the aircraft defected item is released as per mel. All these categories have time frame. I need to ask the engineers how come this time barred defected item was not cleared and i want to ask the gentleman whose father is a pilot that how come the supreme authority that is the captain ignored it.
That clearly show how honest we are with our jobs. Its always the money issue in the airline and everybody is trying to make money by hook or by crook.
The engineers does not want to work at the last minute and does not want to take a blame of a delay and the pilot does not want to loose his long layover flight since he will loose dollars on it. Its that simple
We blame CAA and other authorities for this but the truth is we should blame the people who are not doing their job honestly. They should be identified and punished. CAA did a right job of suspending the flights since PIA was giving a bad name in the international market.
Now the aircraft maintenance has decided to ground all the B747 and few A310 and 777 and do a complete rectification, why now? Were they sleeping before. Havent you heard stitch in time saves nine.
Wrong grease was used,who allowed that on the 777? Did anybody questioned the technician or the engineer why they were using it.
Dear all i know you all have relatives in the airline but face the reality and dont hide it....... All these incidents and accidents are because of negligence and carelssness. We should not forget the past incident and accidents. All the big airlines they learn their lessons from their own and others mistake but we ignore them just because we believe that Allah subhantallah is with us so nothing will happen.
I have black and white documents where it shows how much corruption is done in the airline from top to the bottom and that includes everyone, even the pilots, engineers, cabin crew etc....I can scan these documents and paste them on this forum and believe me its so ugly that you will not like to see the names which are mentioned in it. They might be your relatives too.
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show us plzhave black and white documents where it shows how much corruption is done in the airline from top to the bottom and that includes everyone, even the pilots, engineers, cabin crew etc....I can scan these documents and paste them on this forum and believe me its so ugly that you will not like to see the names which are mentioned in it. They might be your relatives too.
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I think its not nice to name them, but it was very sad to see all the names. They are consider as an icon for the airline. When they had position they misused at the maximum.
Taking bribes to hire pilots, engineers, cabin crew, technicians, ground staff. Hotel deals to have a cut back. I used to think that higher management or the government is involved in it but i was shocked to see the names on the paper
Taking bribes to hire pilots, engineers, cabin crew, technicians, ground staff. Hotel deals to have a cut back. I used to think that higher management or the government is involved in it but i was shocked to see the names on the paper
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Please do it for the airlines SAKE. SCAN/POST them here. Please.I have black and white documents where it shows how much corruption is done in the airline from top to the bottom and that includes everyone, even the pilots, engineers, cabin crew etc....I can scan these documents and paste them on this forum and believe me its so ugly that you will not like to see the names which are mentioned in it. They might be your relatives too.
I would say, start from the top first, people down the line would straighten themselves. The top should be made example.Well why to sack the ministers or the management. As i stated earlier no one in PIA is honest or dedicated to his work.....and I stand by it.
I 100% agree to it, but INSIDER, there is a whole bunch of people monitoring the MEL covered items and, I wonder, they didnt get it. Offcourse it shows their dedication towards their bread n butter. But at the same time the last one who checks that tech log is the flight captain, and that is a lapse on his part as well.There are 3 categories on which the aircraft defected item is released as per mel. All these categories have time frame. I need to ask the engineers how come this time barred defected item was not cleared and i want to ask the gentleman whose father is a pilot that how come the supreme authority that is the captain ignored it.
I would disagree here, ENGINEERS only work at the last minute, had they been working on the aircraft during its skd ground times, this situation would not have been there.The engineers does not want to work at the last minute and does not want to take a blame of a delay and the pilot does not want to loose his long layover flight since he will loose dollars on it. Its that simple
They are still sleeping.Now the aircraft maintenance has decided to ground all the B747 and few A310 and 777 and do a complete rectification, why now? Were they sleeping before. Havent you heard stitch in time saves nine.
That chap, Chief Engineer Zafar Ahmad Khan lost his job on 777 brake issues, he was forced to resign, and he is out of PIA.Wrong grease was used,who allowed that on the 777? Did anybody questioned the technician or the engineer why they were using it.
Once again, INSIDER, please let us know the corruption, in order to play at least our part into getting the situation better.
But do not forget another key issue, how to stop importing avms and air cdres from air force, which plays a very important role in demoralizing engineers in house. its a big issue.
Thanks.
Guys its a never ending debate, please provide solutions pertaining to the current situation, I am pretty sure that some of the stuff goes to management from here. I hope so.
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Dear Mr Combifan,
I think you should be careful in using your words like SHUT UP. If you have any common sense or gray matter than you should understand what Mr. Insider is stating.
Its not nice to name people what they have done. You never know that you or maybe any of your relative name is in it too. I dont know if Insider have the proof or not but i will not appreciate that anything is placed on this forum with names. Its the job of the Higher management or the Government to intervene and take corrective actions. All the records are available and its easy for the govt. to ask for them. By putting anything on this forum, we will not achieve anything except exploiting them.
Lot of things were posted on different forums but nothing happened. So please be careful since lot of members have relative and friends working for the airline.
I will request the moderator to request Mr insider not to put such remarks in the future and also the CombiFan with harsh words.
I think you should be careful in using your words like SHUT UP. If you have any common sense or gray matter than you should understand what Mr. Insider is stating.
Its not nice to name people what they have done. You never know that you or maybe any of your relative name is in it too. I dont know if Insider have the proof or not but i will not appreciate that anything is placed on this forum with names. Its the job of the Higher management or the Government to intervene and take corrective actions. All the records are available and its easy for the govt. to ask for them. By putting anything on this forum, we will not achieve anything except exploiting them.
Lot of things were posted on different forums but nothing happened. So please be careful since lot of members have relative and friends working for the airline.
I will request the moderator to request Mr insider not to put such remarks in the future and also the CombiFan with harsh words.
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Mr Trikko, you seem to miss the point, what I am saying is that Insider is issuing silly statements like all PIA employees are not sincere with the airline and are corrupt from top to bottom. This is an offensive statement if not supported by proofs which he claims to have.
I know for a fact that PIA can tolerate a bit of incompetence but has zero tolerance for corruption. There is strict accountability and chances of getting away with irregularities is minimal.
A vast majority of PIA employees are honest and hardworking and are sincere to their jobs, Insider's statements would have you thinking that its like Pakistan Customs whereas its certainly not, why should we hide or protect corrupt people? If he has any proofs (not allegations) he should put them up here or make himself scarce.
I know for a fact that PIA can tolerate a bit of incompetence but has zero tolerance for corruption. There is strict accountability and chances of getting away with irregularities is minimal.
A vast majority of PIA employees are honest and hardworking and are sincere to their jobs, Insider's statements would have you thinking that its like Pakistan Customs whereas its certainly not, why should we hide or protect corrupt people? If he has any proofs (not allegations) he should put them up here or make himself scarce.
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Mr Combifan,
I completely disagree with you regarding the zero tolerance of corruption. I served in PIA for 15 years and i saw it happening, I dont know about all the departments but i have seen it happening.
SO IN PIA WE DONT HAVE ANGELS. the worst corruption ever happened was taking bribe for the recruitment of pilots, engineers, cabin crew, ground staff etc etc and it all happened during the Benazir regime.
All these people involved at that time are still working and enjoying the privilidges of PIA.
I am getting carried away, its frustrating and annoying so forget it.
NOTHING CAN CHANGE IN PIA AND IT WILL KEEP ON GOING. DAY BY DAY ITS GETTING WORSE.
I completely disagree with you regarding the zero tolerance of corruption. I served in PIA for 15 years and i saw it happening, I dont know about all the departments but i have seen it happening.
SO IN PIA WE DONT HAVE ANGELS. the worst corruption ever happened was taking bribe for the recruitment of pilots, engineers, cabin crew, ground staff etc etc and it all happened during the Benazir regime.
All these people involved at that time are still working and enjoying the privilidges of PIA.
I am getting carried away, its frustrating and annoying so forget it.
NOTHING CAN CHANGE IN PIA AND IT WILL KEEP ON GOING. DAY BY DAY ITS GETTING WORSE.
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Benazir gave quota of two (or maybe three) vacancies to the MNAs, who nominated people against each vacancy and they were hired, not the best way to hire, but if any bribes were taken they would have to be by the MNAs who had the authority to nominate.
Regarding hiring of pilots and Engineers, there maybe some sifarishis hired, but I seriously doubt your claim that someone in PIA took bribes to hire them.
Regarding hiring of pilots and Engineers, there maybe some sifarishis hired, but I seriously doubt your claim that someone in PIA took bribes to hire them.
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The guy who took money of 1996 pilots batch was Aijazz haroon. A very close friend of Asif Zardari and Benazir Bhutto.
Since Mr Combi wants the pandora box to be open, so let it be.
He took money from atleast 40 pilots in that batch. The induction of cabin crew, most of them paid money and in engineering was the same.
And for your information......T M Khan left earlier and he took money from pilots for his airline "safe air".
Since Mr Combi wants the pandora box to be open, so let it be.
He took money from atleast 40 pilots in that batch. The induction of cabin crew, most of them paid money and in engineering was the same.
And for your information......T M Khan left earlier and he took money from pilots for his airline "safe air".
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Mr Insider,
why don't u scan the documents and post them online. better still give them in to news paper or an independent tv channel?
What is a free society about? What is an enabling medium like the internet here for?
Its high time all of the members on this forum pull their heads out from under the sands and take a look at what really is going on, and DO something about it.
Doesn't any one of us have the guts to stand up for the right and expose those even if it means they are our relatives?
The cleaning has to start from ourselves. if we cant be bold and strong enough to see our relatives or ppl we know brought to justice then god save us.
We keep bitching and ranting about corruption and this and that...and keep wondering when God shall deliver us and yet We choose to do nothing about it.
We are a dead nation, no soul, no spine, no moral values or courage to stand up for whats right.
Does any one remember what the Prophet (pbuh) said? He swore that if His daughter had committed theft he would have her punished according to the law.
What Caliph Omer did? If im not mistaken lashed his own son.
And here we are, believers in the religion, believers in the people, yet with absolutely not an iota of dignity or courage to exhibit or try to emulate those just ideals.
We keep blaming the USA and Israel for every thing that goes wrong but at least those people have the "audacity" to question their own Presidents for when they falter. And we as a nation shall keep TC'ing and saving our own asses and those of our relatives just so we can slug it out, live our lives, for after we die, its none of our friggin problem any more!
Point is: Do The Right Thing. Make a difference today. Start with yourself.
Who do you own your allegiance to... your family? relatives? the nation? or Allah?
I'm reminded of a quote, by an American civil rights activist:
"In my own mind, in my own space and with God's grace, I WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
why don't u scan the documents and post them online. better still give them in to news paper or an independent tv channel?
What is a free society about? What is an enabling medium like the internet here for?
Its high time all of the members on this forum pull their heads out from under the sands and take a look at what really is going on, and DO something about it.
Doesn't any one of us have the guts to stand up for the right and expose those even if it means they are our relatives?
The cleaning has to start from ourselves. if we cant be bold and strong enough to see our relatives or ppl we know brought to justice then god save us.
We keep bitching and ranting about corruption and this and that...and keep wondering when God shall deliver us and yet We choose to do nothing about it.
We are a dead nation, no soul, no spine, no moral values or courage to stand up for whats right.
Does any one remember what the Prophet (pbuh) said? He swore that if His daughter had committed theft he would have her punished according to the law.
What Caliph Omer did? If im not mistaken lashed his own son.
And here we are, believers in the religion, believers in the people, yet with absolutely not an iota of dignity or courage to exhibit or try to emulate those just ideals.
We keep blaming the USA and Israel for every thing that goes wrong but at least those people have the "audacity" to question their own Presidents for when they falter. And we as a nation shall keep TC'ing and saving our own asses and those of our relatives just so we can slug it out, live our lives, for after we die, its none of our friggin problem any more!
Point is: Do The Right Thing. Make a difference today. Start with yourself.
Who do you own your allegiance to... your family? relatives? the nation? or Allah?
I'm reminded of a quote, by an American civil rights activist:
"In my own mind, in my own space and with God's grace, I WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE"