Which destination should PIA serve next?

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Which destination should PIA serve next?

Los Angeles
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42%
San Francisco
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Shanghai
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4%
Sydney
11
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Johannesburg
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Which destination should PIA serve next?

Post by smarties » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:21 pm

Which international destination should PIA serve next?
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Post by AP-BGL » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:35 pm

Sydney...
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Post by Amaad Lone » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:38 pm

There is a large Pakistani expat population on the west coast, and no direct airlink available for them to Pakistan.

Los Angeles would be the perfect destination for PIA to cater for not only the west coast but people living in the neighboring states.

I would do Lahore-Los Angeles twice a week non-stop using 777-240LRs.
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Post by behramjee » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:38 pm

LAX via PVG from KHI using a B 772ER.

In JNB, EK-QR-GF will kill them.

Rememeber an A 310 cannot fly nonstop without a pay load restriction KHI-JNB and even DXB-JNB!!

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Post by SaadSaeed » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:10 pm

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Post by smarties » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:53 pm

The A310’s optimized design range of up to 5,200 nautical miles (9,600 km) is one of the parameters that has made it the ideal ‘first widebody’ aircraft for airlines growing to this size of operation.
That quote is from the airbus website about the A310 range. KHI-JOH is 4000 nautical miles, so JOH is easily reacheable non-stop from KHI on the A 310-300 Besides, i think they should fly a 772 KHI-NBO-JOH
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Post by sadiqhassan » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:13 pm

It was a tossup between

KHI-PVG-LAX-PVG-KHI &

KHI-NBO-JNB-NBO-KHI
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Post by B777240ER » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:15 pm

Los Angeles via Shanghai

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Post by chaklala » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:29 pm

Madrid. I keep running into an increasing number of Pakistanis every time I visit Spain

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Post by Imran Hassan » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:29 pm

I would have to say Shanghai and Osaka but before these two LA is a must. Sydney shouldn't be a priority plus since Singapore Airlines is now operating again it is Austrailia's most frequent visitor so passengers have no problem getting to Sydney.

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Post by Amaad Lone » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:21 pm

Emirates has dumped a large capacity for Australian routes, and PIA could never compete with the Emirates twice daily flights into Sydney and other cities in Australia.

Looking at PIA, it would probably operate to Sydney:

Twice a week A310 Karachi-Bangkok-Singapore-Sydney.

Instead people would go with the non-stop Dubai-Sydney flights.
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Post by sadiqhassan » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:34 pm

Amaad Lone wrote:Emirates has dumped a large capacity for Australian routes, and PIA could never compete with the Emirates twice daily flights into Sydney and other cities in Australia.

Looking at PIA, it would probably operate to Sydney:

Twice a week A310 Karachi-Bangkok-Singapore-Sydney.

Instead people would go with the non-stop Dubai-Sydney flights.

PIA could try and price competitively. Right now the published EK fares ex Karachi are quite high (although there are many discounted fares available)

Carrier From To Fare Basis

EK KHI SYD 1369 CAD ME3MPK1
EK KHI SYD 1580 CAD WRTPK1
EK KHI SYD 1830 CAD YRTPK1
PK KHI SYD 1874 CAD YE3M
CX KHI SYD 1875 CAD BLEE3M
EK KHI SYD 2004 CAD YLEE3M
PK KHI SYD 2562 CAD YRT
EK KHI SYD 2764 CAD YRT
PK KHI SYD 3028 CAD JRT
EK KHI SYD 3293 CAD JRT
CX KHI SYD 3496 CAD J
EK KHI SYD 3891 CAD FRT
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Post by smarties » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:59 pm

i think EK's non-stop flight to SYD is more expensive, than the one via SIN.
i would like to see PIA fly:

LHE-KHI-SYD on the 777-240LR.

Also maybe LHE-ANC*-SFO on the 772ER. *Anchorage (ANC)

KHI-NBO-JNB on the 772 or A310
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Post by sadiqhassan » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:24 am

smarties wrote:i think EK's non-stop flight to SYD is more expensive, than the one via SIN.
i would like to see PIA fly:

LHE-KHI-SYD on the 777-240LR.

Also maybe LHE-ANC*-SFO on the 772ER. *Anchorage (ANC)

KHI-NBO-JNB on the 772 or A310
Would PK have passenger traffic rights to from Karachi and Anchorage & to/from Anchorage and San Francisco?
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Post by behramjee » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:19 am

Would PK have passenger traffic rights to from Karachi and Anchorage & to/from Anchorage and San Francisco ?
No
i think EK's non-stop flight to SYD is more expensive, than the one via SIN.
yes the nonstop flight is more expensive and is for the more higher fare paying pax in all 3 classes...the nonstop flight is actually there for the UK-AUST-UK market and for the corporate J-F class pax flying from EU/UK via DXB to SYD/MEL and vice versa.
Also maybe LHE-ANC*-SFO on the 772ER. *Anchorage (ANC)
will never work.
KHI-NBO-JNB on the 772 or A310
A 310 can easily do this route twice a week from KHI. No need for B 777 here. If PIA cant get 5th freedom rights on the NBO-JNB-NBO route, then its a waste of time flying to JNB via NBO. Rather interline with KQ/SAA from NBO!!!

PIA could try and price competitively. Right now the published EK fares ex Karachi are quite high (although there are many discounted fares available)
Carrier From To Fare Basis

EK KHI SYD 1369 CAD ME3MPK1
EK KHI SYD 1580 CAD WRTPK1
EK KHI SYD 1830 CAD YRTPK1
PK KHI SYD 1874 CAD YE3M
CX KHI SYD 1875 CAD BLEE3M
Sadiq...the publish fare that you have been quoting on few routes are not really the fares that are released by the airline to sell to the flying public. The published fare is 90% of the time higher than the "sellable fare" as the former is largely for pax buying last minute tickets as well as those flying multi-segment flights. EKs KHI-SYD-KHI fare in the off season is around RS 50-55,000 + Tax.
Emirates has dumped a large capacity for Australian routes, and PIA could never compete with the Emirates twice daily flights into Sydney and other cities in Australia.
precisely...thats why its pointless going there...they are better off interlining with QF via SIN and BKK to Australia.
Madrid. I keep running into an increasing number of Pakistanis every time I visit Spain
honestly speaking...a ISB-DXB-MAD twice a week A 310-300 service can make money if marketed and promoted the right way! Either ISB-DXB-MAD or KHI-DXB-MAD twice a week A 310.
That quote is from the airbus website about the A310 range. KHI-JOH is 4000 nautical miles, so JOH is easily reacheable non-stop from KHI on the A 310-300 Besides, i think they should fly a 772 KHI-NBO-JOH
did you find out if EK ever flew nonstop to JNB with the A 310? as I had mentioned the route according to my memory was mainly via COMMORES ISLAND.