Just got off the phone with PIAs 4th most biggest agent/consolidator in Canada and they had just sent their bi weekly sales report to PIA.
He told me that PIAs YYZ flight loads since the nonstops began have not been 50-60% as originally mentioned but 40% out of YYZ. He didnt know the PAK-YYZ load though! And lastly he said that PIA has lost 99% of their market share out of Alberta, British Columbia and Quebec ever since Air Canada terminated their interline deal with them.
If PIA YYZ management wanted to rectify this situation then they should have immediately approached Westjet or Harmony Airways or Can Jet or Air Transat for an interline deal on domestic flights within Canada to feed their PAK-YYZ-PAK flight. But nothing as happened concerning this which is very strange.
Cathay Pacific and British Airways interline with West Jet within Canada.
JAL and China Eastern interline with Harmony on the YVR-YYZ-YVR route!
It is worth mentioning that West Jets economy class product is much better than ACs on domestic Canada flights as it has a leather covered seat measuring 32 inches pitchwise + 24 live tv channels which AC doesnt...ACs A 320 family has a seat pitch of 30-31 inches...Transat is 29-30.
behramjee wrote:
And lastly he said that PIA has lost 99% of their market share out of Alberta, British Columbia and Quebec ever since Air Canada terminated their interline deal with them.
This has also affected the Air Canada fares out of Pakistan. A JR fare (business class) used to be 167000 PKR for KHI-YUL return, and now it is like 240000PKR and there can no longer be PIA segments.
behramjee wrote:Just got off the phone with PIAs 4th most biggest agent/consolidator in Canada and they had just sent their bi weekly sales report to PIA.
He told me that PIAs YYZ flight loads since the nonstops began have not been 50-60% as originally mentioned but 40% out of YYZ. He didnt know the PAK-YYZ load though! And lastly he said that PIA has lost 99% of their market share out of Alberta, British Columbia and Quebec ever since Air Canada terminated their interline deal with them.
If PIA YYZ management wanted to rectify this situation then they should have immediately approached Westjet or Harmony Airways or Can Jet or Air Transat for an interline deal on domestic flights within Canada to feed their PAK-YYZ-PAK flight. But nothing as happened concerning this which is very strange.
Cathay Pacific and British Airways interline with West Jet within Canada.
JAL and China Eastern interline with Harmony on the YVR-YYZ-YVR route!
It is worth mentioning that West Jets economy class product is much better than ACs on domestic Canada flights as it has a leather covered seat measuring 32 inches pitchwise + 24 live tv channels which AC doesnt...ACs A 320 family has a seat pitch of 30-31 inches...Transat is 29-30.
How did their loads drop so instantly? Was it because of the fare hikes and the ending of interlining?
I agree, they must interline with a carrier, WestJet would be a strong carrier...
also, why did Air Canada end their interline agreement?
Jacobin777 wrote:
also, why did Air Canada end their interline agreement?
Not sure why exactly, but AC did this with a lot of Asian and Low Cost carriers. They ditched agreements with some 20 carriers or so
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yikes....thanks for the info...PK need to hook up with WestJet in Canada, and American Airlines in the United States....with JFK/ORD/HOU and possibly LAX..besides HOU, AA would do a good job complementing PK's routes...and getting pax to transfer to those cities to connect with PK...
PIA lost the AC deal because it wasnt worth ACs time and energy. They werent producing that much traffic for AC from YVR/YYC/YEG/YUL/YOW to YYZ on their domestic flights to warrant the interline agreement to continue.
Plus AC knew that if they discontinued this interline agreement that PIA would lose all of their market share from these cities and therefore have no option but to fly AC trans atlantic to CDG-FRA-LHR and then EK/QR/KU/GF to LHE/KHI/ISB...so at the end of the day AC benefits big time.
AC did the same thing to ETIHAD AIRWAYS too...EY has no interline agreement with any Canadian airline on domestic flights hence 0% mkt share in Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Ottawa etc.
In this way AC guarantees that its market share and pax loads increase trans-atlantic...and at the end of the day it wins and has the monopoly.
behramjee wrote:PIA lost the AC deal because it wasnt worth ACs time and energy. They werent producing that much traffic for AC from YVR/YYC/YEG/YUL/YOW to YYZ on their domestic flights to warrant the interline agreement to continue.
Plus AC knew that if they discontinued this interline agreement that PIA would lose all of their market share from these cities and therefore have no option but to fly AC trans atlantic to CDG-FRA-LHR and then EK/QR/KU/GF to LHE/KHI/ISB...so at the end of the day AC benefits big time.
AC did the same thing to ETIHAD AIRWAYS too...EY has no interline agreement with any Canadian airline on domestic flights hence 0% mkt share in Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Ottawa etc.
In this way AC guarantees that its market share and pax loads increase trans-atlantic...and at the end of the day it wins and has the monopoly.
good busines move by AC, but PK should counter with some kind of agreement with WestJet....
good busines move by AC, but PK should counter with some kind of agreement with WestJet....
its been now 4 months since AC terminated this agreement with PIA and the latter hasnt shown any interest what so ever in getting a similar deal with Harmony or West Jet or Air Transat or Can Jet in Canada...which is really surprising and at the same time sad!
good busines move by AC, but PK should counter with some kind of agreement with WestJet....
its been now 4 months since AC terminated this agreement with PIA and the latter hasnt shown any interest what so ever in getting a similar deal with Harmony or West Jet or Air Transat or Can Jet in Canada...which is really surprising and at the same time sad!
Definately quite sad. I have now moved by transatlantic businesss to British Airways, because they seem like an all around better airline. Plus, their tickets allow much more complicated itineraries.
good busines move by AC, but PK should counter with some kind of agreement with WestJet....
its been now 4 months since AC terminated this agreement with PIA and the latter hasnt shown any interest what so ever in getting a similar deal with Harmony or West Jet or Air Transat or Can Jet in Canada...which is really surprising and at the same time sad!
sometimes I just wonder what the 'ell is going on with PK management..sometimes they look like geniuses and sometimes they look like a bunch of 6 year olds...
like I said, I don't know who's worse, them or the management from BD (British Midlands)
