KARACHI: Pakistan Airline’s Pilots Association (Palpa) has alleged that the management of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) is violating aviation rules and regulations for crew schedule, which causes fatigue among them and can result in a mishap.
In a statement, a Palpa spokesperson stated that a meeting of Palpa members had been called due to the airline management’s “non-serious attitude and violation of its own flight operation manual, CAA flight safety rules and International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) safety guidelines”.
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It “is putting both the aircraft and passengers’ safety at risk and has paid no heed to our repeated reminders,” the spokesman said.
He said the management had recently introduced some changes in the Flight Duty Time Limitation (FDTL) planning, which carried a very high element of fatigue, while negligence and anomalies in flight operations was taking a toll on PIA.
In a communication to the PIA CEO, Palpa said “it was clearly mentioned in the PIA-Palpa agreement, through which the relationship between the two is governed, Palpa will be taken on board on any policy decision and all actions will be taken bilaterally. However, it is unfortunate to mention that there are a few elements within your team who … are unnecessarily taking arbitrary actions with regard to crew duties.”
Also, he said, “matters relating to substandard accommodation for pilots at different stations have been highlighted since it is not a luxury as having a sound sleep before flights is also considered imperative for professional duty of a pilot”.
A source in PIA said these kinds of issues emerged during every Hajj operation as a huge number of pilgrims flew to Saudi Arabia. “This year, 82,000 people are flying out of Pakistan. The Hajj operation comprises one month pre-Hajj flights and one month post-Hajj flights,” he said.
“PIA is flying from eight airports which include Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Multan, Peshawar, Faisalabad, Sialkot and Quetta, which is the newly inducted route for Hajj operation due to growing demand,” he said.
“It’s a hectic activity,” he said. “Positioning crew from different places is a big challenge.”
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When contacted, PIA spokesperson said there was no violation in the current job assignments as they were in accordance with the Air Navigation Orders (ANO) of Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (PCAA).
“As far as the hotel issue is concerned, Palpa members are always involved in that matter and this time it is under process and will be resolved soon,” he said. Transport issue could be resolved with talks, however, if there were any reservations, the management was open to listen to their grievances, he added.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 4th, 2019.
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PIA’s pilots resent overworks, complain of fatigue
KARACHI: Pakistan Airline Pilots’ Association (Palpa) on Saturday alleged the flag carrier’s management of violating safety rules in assigning of crew duties that it said put safety of pilots and flights at risk.
Palpa’s spokesman said the management of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) is violating its flight operation manual, flight safety rules of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), and safety guidelines of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).
“(This) is putting both the aircraft and passengers’ safety at risk, while it (the management) has not paid any heed to our repeated reminders regarding safety violations,” the spokesman said in a statement after a general body meeting.
The spokesman said PIA’s management has recently introduced some changes in flight duty time limitation planning, “which carries a very high element of fatigue”.
“The scheduling has failed to keep in mind the effects of fatigue, compounding adverse effect on crew health and therefore safety of flight,” he added. “The majority of our crew are reluctant to accept the flights. However, those who are on contract are forced to carry out these duties under pressure in fear of losing their contracts.”
The Palpa said the association needs to be taken onboard of any policy decision under an agreement that governs its relationship with PIA.
“There are few elements within your team who have their own vested interests and are unnecessarily taking arbitrary actions with regard to crew duties causing unrest within the pilot community, which in turn de-motivates our members and puts flight safety at risk,” the association said in a letter to PIA CEO.
The association’s spokesman said the Civil Aviation Authority and the International Civil Aviation Organization need to address the issue.
Palpa’s official said the present operation is in violation of the bilateral Palpa-PIAC’s working agreement 2011-2013 “as per clause 3.7.1.(c)”.
“Augmented crew operations shall be avoided as far as possible,” the official citied the clause as saying. “However, if unavoidable, it will be applicable on jet aircrafts only and not applicable where frequency of scheduled flight of any equipment is more than once a week.”
The spokesman said sound sleep before flights is considered to be imperative professional duty of a pilot.
Pilots of the national carrier also showed concerns over the pick-and-drop service for the airline crew, particularly pilots.
“The violations (are) causing restlessness and fatigue to the pilots at foreign stations including ongoing Hajj flights,” the spokesman said.
“During the Hajj operation, Palpa received many complaints from its members regarding frequently denied boarding by the traffic staff at the last minute.”
The spokesman said many of the issues are still unresolved even after six months and despite that the issues were brought to the notice of senior management. “Now, the association has decided to put these complaints before the general body of Palpa so that the next line of action could be taken with consensus.”
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KARACHI: Pakistan Airline Pilots’ Association (Palpa) on Saturday alleged the flag carrier’s management of violating safety rules in assigning of crew duties that it said put safety of pilots and flights at risk.
Palpa’s spokesman said the management of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) is violating its flight operation manual, flight safety rules of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), and safety guidelines of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).
“(This) is putting both the aircraft and passengers’ safety at risk, while it (the management) has not paid any heed to our repeated reminders regarding safety violations,” the spokesman said in a statement after a general body meeting.
The spokesman said PIA’s management has recently introduced some changes in flight duty time limitation planning, “which carries a very high element of fatigue”.
“The scheduling has failed to keep in mind the effects of fatigue, compounding adverse effect on crew health and therefore safety of flight,” he added. “The majority of our crew are reluctant to accept the flights. However, those who are on contract are forced to carry out these duties under pressure in fear of losing their contracts.”
The Palpa said the association needs to be taken onboard of any policy decision under an agreement that governs its relationship with PIA.
“There are few elements within your team who have their own vested interests and are unnecessarily taking arbitrary actions with regard to crew duties causing unrest within the pilot community, which in turn de-motivates our members and puts flight safety at risk,” the association said in a letter to PIA CEO.
The association’s spokesman said the Civil Aviation Authority and the International Civil Aviation Organization need to address the issue.
Palpa’s official said the present operation is in violation of the bilateral Palpa-PIAC’s working agreement 2011-2013 “as per clause 3.7.1.(c)”.
“Augmented crew operations shall be avoided as far as possible,” the official citied the clause as saying. “However, if unavoidable, it will be applicable on jet aircrafts only and not applicable where frequency of scheduled flight of any equipment is more than once a week.”
The spokesman said sound sleep before flights is considered to be imperative professional duty of a pilot.
Pilots of the national carrier also showed concerns over the pick-and-drop service for the airline crew, particularly pilots.
“The violations (are) causing restlessness and fatigue to the pilots at foreign stations including ongoing Hajj flights,” the spokesman said.
“During the Hajj operation, Palpa received many complaints from its members regarding frequently denied boarding by the traffic staff at the last minute.”
The spokesman said many of the issues are still unresolved even after six months and despite that the issues were brought to the notice of senior management. “Now, the association has decided to put these complaints before the general body of Palpa so that the next line of action could be taken with consensus.”
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PIA pilots warn of stopping flights due to unsafe environment
KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) pilots have warned of stopping flights if an unsafe working environment persists, leading to disruption in flight schedules.
The pilots and cabin crew have been forced to compromise flight safety, spokesman of Pakistan Air Line Pilots Association (PALPA) said on Monday. He added that the pilots had adopted a resolution to strictly follow safety procedures after Hajj operations in the greater interest of passengers.
The spokesman said Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) a year ago issued Air Navigation Order and prescribed the flying times of pilots and cabin crew, which were against the standards. However, this order was in abeyance on the protest of stakeholders.
The spokesman further said working hours could be extended of any pilot in case of an emergency but it was rare. “The present management has forced the pilots and cabin crew to work extended hours as routine working hours ignoring the world standards and safety of passengers.”
Earlier, the PALPA in a statement said, “Due to the deteriorating working conditions and deliberate compromise on flight safety, on the part of the PIACL management; the PIACL pilots’ fraternity by virtue of their sensitive nature of job, will not work against PCAA and ICAO Safety Rules, after post Hajj Operations.”
The PALPA statement further added: “In case of any mishap, PIACL management will be held responsible.” The resolution was passed in a general body meeting, attended by a very large number of pilots.
The meeting was especially convened after numerous letters went unheeded. “The management, unfortunately, continued to ignore these requests.” After long deliberation, it was considered appropriate that the pilot would not board the flight if all safety regulations were not strictly followed.
“PCAA rules are based on UN (ICAO) flight safety rules and its deviation by PCAA would not be tolerated in other countries if noticed; PIA flights can be banned,” the PALPA statement said. PIA management has to follow all safety procedures in the best interest of the passengers and the airline.
Spot checking of pilots was part of safety monitoring in UN member countries. So it was the concern of PALPA that rules violations would not be in the interest of airline on the pretext of cost-cutting measures. Moreover, recently introduced changes in Flight Duty Time Limitation FDTL planning which carry a very high element of fatigue, were against the safety rules.
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KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) pilots have warned of stopping flights if an unsafe working environment persists, leading to disruption in flight schedules.
The pilots and cabin crew have been forced to compromise flight safety, spokesman of Pakistan Air Line Pilots Association (PALPA) said on Monday. He added that the pilots had adopted a resolution to strictly follow safety procedures after Hajj operations in the greater interest of passengers.
The spokesman said Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) a year ago issued Air Navigation Order and prescribed the flying times of pilots and cabin crew, which were against the standards. However, this order was in abeyance on the protest of stakeholders.
The spokesman further said working hours could be extended of any pilot in case of an emergency but it was rare. “The present management has forced the pilots and cabin crew to work extended hours as routine working hours ignoring the world standards and safety of passengers.”
Earlier, the PALPA in a statement said, “Due to the deteriorating working conditions and deliberate compromise on flight safety, on the part of the PIACL management; the PIACL pilots’ fraternity by virtue of their sensitive nature of job, will not work against PCAA and ICAO Safety Rules, after post Hajj Operations.”
The PALPA statement further added: “In case of any mishap, PIACL management will be held responsible.” The resolution was passed in a general body meeting, attended by a very large number of pilots.
The meeting was especially convened after numerous letters went unheeded. “The management, unfortunately, continued to ignore these requests.” After long deliberation, it was considered appropriate that the pilot would not board the flight if all safety regulations were not strictly followed.
“PCAA rules are based on UN (ICAO) flight safety rules and its deviation by PCAA would not be tolerated in other countries if noticed; PIA flights can be banned,” the PALPA statement said. PIA management has to follow all safety procedures in the best interest of the passengers and the airline.
Spot checking of pilots was part of safety monitoring in UN member countries. So it was the concern of PALPA that rules violations would not be in the interest of airline on the pretext of cost-cutting measures. Moreover, recently introduced changes in Flight Duty Time Limitation FDTL planning which carry a very high element of fatigue, were against the safety rules.
Source: geo.tv
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Unhappy PIA pilots
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AUGUST 15, 2019
Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) may suffer losses if the Pakistan Air Line Pilots' Association (PALPA) goes ahead with its planned strike next month. The discord stems from the state of affairs in the wake of pilots’ transfers from Karachi to Islamabad and other cities in Punjab. PALPA sees the moves as a conspiracy to relocate PIA head office from Karachi to Islamabad, while the PIA management says it is part of PIA’s new business plan. If transfers are not revoked, PALPA plans to delays flights, leading to many cancellations – both domestic and international. If PALPA and the management do not reach an agreement, this will be a setback to the national airline, which was just coming out of operational losses thanks to robust measures undertaken by the management. The other point driving a wedge between pilots and the PIA management, led by Air Marshal Arshad Malik, is the reported violations of passengers’ safety guidelines. PALPA accuses the management of overlooking their repeated reminders regarding “continuous violation of its own flight operation manual as well as of local and international safety guidelines that put both aircraft’s and passengers’ safety at risk.” If PALPA’s stance is factual, it is criminal on part of the PIA management to put passengers’ lives at risk. A high level probe should be initiated into the allegations.
PALPA plans to resort to adopt go-slow and ‘work by the book’ procedures once the Haj operation is over on September 14. A spokesperson for PIA says they never compromise on working conditions for pilots and always follow local and international civil aviation safety rules. The national flag carrier witnessed turnaround because of its five-year strategic business plan and some short-term measures. Thanks to such measures, the airline overcame its operational losses last April.
The CEO needs a team of dedicated experts for top posts who should be given autonomy to run their operations. In days to come, unproductive employees should find no place in offices, while the government will have to show a strong will to stand by the management as often the PIA union resists layoffs. True, the government can post the relieved workers in some other ventures. Right people at the right place can make a successful PIA take off.
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Unhappy PIA pilots
Daily Times
AUGUST 15, 2019
Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) may suffer losses if the Pakistan Air Line Pilots' Association (PALPA) goes ahead with its planned strike next month. The discord stems from the state of affairs in the wake of pilots’ transfers from Karachi to Islamabad and other cities in Punjab. PALPA sees the moves as a conspiracy to relocate PIA head office from Karachi to Islamabad, while the PIA management says it is part of PIA’s new business plan. If transfers are not revoked, PALPA plans to delays flights, leading to many cancellations – both domestic and international. If PALPA and the management do not reach an agreement, this will be a setback to the national airline, which was just coming out of operational losses thanks to robust measures undertaken by the management. The other point driving a wedge between pilots and the PIA management, led by Air Marshal Arshad Malik, is the reported violations of passengers’ safety guidelines. PALPA accuses the management of overlooking their repeated reminders regarding “continuous violation of its own flight operation manual as well as of local and international safety guidelines that put both aircraft’s and passengers’ safety at risk.” If PALPA’s stance is factual, it is criminal on part of the PIA management to put passengers’ lives at risk. A high level probe should be initiated into the allegations.
PALPA plans to resort to adopt go-slow and ‘work by the book’ procedures once the Haj operation is over on September 14. A spokesperson for PIA says they never compromise on working conditions for pilots and always follow local and international civil aviation safety rules. The national flag carrier witnessed turnaround because of its five-year strategic business plan and some short-term measures. Thanks to such measures, the airline overcame its operational losses last April.
The CEO needs a team of dedicated experts for top posts who should be given autonomy to run their operations. In days to come, unproductive employees should find no place in offices, while the government will have to show a strong will to stand by the management as often the PIA union resists layoffs. True, the government can post the relieved workers in some other ventures. Right people at the right place can make a successful PIA take off.
Source: Daily Times
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Re: Pilots hit out at PIA for ‘violating rules’
Other reasons might be valid but this is not fair that pilots are going on strike because of head office relocation. I don't think pilots should have any say in management and operations of the airline. If Islamabad Airport is generating more revenue, I don't see any issue moving the operations there. PAPLPA should stop being selfish, planning further hurt the airline just because employees don't want to move their families from Karachi. This is unheard of in aviation industry. Dr Mahatir was right, state run enterprises are unsalvageable.
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A PIA pilot has resigned after claiming that the airline is pressurizing pilots to perform extra hours duty in violation of safety rules set by CAA. The airline has accepted his resignation.
Info source: https://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPup ... e=20190824
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PIA pilots resign over ‘unprecedented’ FDTL planning
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KARACHI: Some eight pilots of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) have resigned only in current year, due to “unprecedented” flight duty time limitations (FDTL) planning that what they claim carries high element of fatigue.
The pilots, who resigned so far include Capt Faisal Younis (after 15 years of service), Captain Bakhtawar Hussain Jaffery (after 19 years of service), Captain Sadia Aziz (after 15 years of service), First Officer (FO) Khurram Baloch (after 9 years of service), FO Alison Oscar (after 7 years of service), FO Humza Zain (after 9 years of service) and FO Zuhair Ilyas (after 4 years of service).
In a letter sent to Director General Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (PCAA), Rizwan Gondal, president of Pakistan Airline Pilots’ Association (PALPA) confirmed that PIA has recently introduced some changes in FDTL planning, causing high element of fatigue, adding that this cost-cutting exercise was actually “compromising” flight safety.
He said that these augmented flights were in “violation” of the bilateral PALPA-PIAC working agreement 2011-2013 and this new flight situation would not allow pilots to avail themselves of the allocated rest time, while rest periods before and after the flights were not defined by the operator and were not reflected on their rosters.
Furthermore, Gondal said the airline scheduling failed to keep in mind the effects of fatigue, compounding adverse effect on crew health and therefore safety of flight.
“The same is reflected in a number of captains’ de-briefs. Majority of crew are reluctant to accept these flights. However, those on contract are forced to carry out these duties under pressure in fear of losing their contracts,” President Palpa said.
“As a result of such policies, the backlog is tremendous. The members are suffering professional anxiety on account of being deprived of their legitimate expectancies. “Pilot productivity is at its lowest. The management is unwilling to reconsider its current modus operandi which is unworkable,” he claimed.
Meanwhile, FO Khurram Baloch, who resigned on August 17th in his letter to Director Flight Operations (DFO), said that he started feeling “suffocated” with the current working environment forcing him to work or face dire consequences.
Source: brecorder.com
MUHAMMAD ALI
KARACHI: Some eight pilots of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) have resigned only in current year, due to “unprecedented” flight duty time limitations (FDTL) planning that what they claim carries high element of fatigue.
The pilots, who resigned so far include Capt Faisal Younis (after 15 years of service), Captain Bakhtawar Hussain Jaffery (after 19 years of service), Captain Sadia Aziz (after 15 years of service), First Officer (FO) Khurram Baloch (after 9 years of service), FO Alison Oscar (after 7 years of service), FO Humza Zain (after 9 years of service) and FO Zuhair Ilyas (after 4 years of service).
In a letter sent to Director General Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (PCAA), Rizwan Gondal, president of Pakistan Airline Pilots’ Association (PALPA) confirmed that PIA has recently introduced some changes in FDTL planning, causing high element of fatigue, adding that this cost-cutting exercise was actually “compromising” flight safety.
He said that these augmented flights were in “violation” of the bilateral PALPA-PIAC working agreement 2011-2013 and this new flight situation would not allow pilots to avail themselves of the allocated rest time, while rest periods before and after the flights were not defined by the operator and were not reflected on their rosters.
Furthermore, Gondal said the airline scheduling failed to keep in mind the effects of fatigue, compounding adverse effect on crew health and therefore safety of flight.
“The same is reflected in a number of captains’ de-briefs. Majority of crew are reluctant to accept these flights. However, those on contract are forced to carry out these duties under pressure in fear of losing their contracts,” President Palpa said.
“As a result of such policies, the backlog is tremendous. The members are suffering professional anxiety on account of being deprived of their legitimate expectancies. “Pilot productivity is at its lowest. The management is unwilling to reconsider its current modus operandi which is unworkable,” he claimed.
Meanwhile, FO Khurram Baloch, who resigned on August 17th in his letter to Director Flight Operations (DFO), said that he started feeling “suffocated” with the current working environment forcing him to work or face dire consequences.
Source: brecorder.com
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PALPA President in a letter to DG CAA has said that PIA is loosing trained and experienced pilots. Policies of airline's management have been blamed for the current situation.
According to PIA spokesperson, pilots have resigned due to variety of reasons.
PIA management is always ready for talks with pilots' representative body, the airline's spokesperson said.
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Didn't the ex-German CEO say that PIA pilots were underworked compared to industry standards and enjoyed a lot of financial and time based benefits, higher than industry standard ?
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It was already known that at least Faisal Younis, the brother of cricketer Waqar Younis, was already going to be kicked out due to his fake degree. See https://fp.brecorder.com/2015/02/201502251155207/.Abbas Ali wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:59 am PIA pilots resign over ‘unprecedented’ FDTL planning
MUHAMMAD ALI
KARACHI: Some eight pilots of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) have resigned only in current year, due to “unprecedented” flight duty time limitations (FDTL) planning that what they claim carries high element of fatigue.
The pilots, who resigned so far include Capt Faisal Younis (after 15 years of service), Captain Bakhtawar Hussain Jaffery (after 19 years of service), Captain Sadia Aziz (after 15 years of service), First Officer (FO) Khurram Baloch (after 9 years of service), FO Alison Oscar (after 7 years of service), FO Humza Zain (after 9 years of service) and FO Zuhair Ilyas (after 4 years of service).
In a letter sent to Director General Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (PCAA), Rizwan Gondal, president of Pakistan Airline Pilots’ Association (PALPA) confirmed that PIA has recently introduced some changes in FDTL planning, causing high element of fatigue, adding that this cost-cutting exercise was actually “compromising” flight safety.
He said that these augmented flights were in “violation” of the bilateral PALPA-PIAC working agreement 2011-2013 and this new flight situation would not allow pilots to avail themselves of the allocated rest time, while rest periods before and after the flights were not defined by the operator and were not reflected on their rosters.
Furthermore, Gondal said the airline scheduling failed to keep in mind the effects of fatigue, compounding adverse effect on crew health and therefore safety of flight.
“The same is reflected in a number of captains’ de-briefs. Majority of crew are reluctant to accept these flights. However, those on contract are forced to carry out these duties under pressure in fear of losing their contracts,” President Palpa said.
“As a result of such policies, the backlog is tremendous. The members are suffering professional anxiety on account of being deprived of their legitimate expectancies. “Pilot productivity is at its lowest. The management is unwilling to reconsider its current modus operandi which is unworkable,” he claimed.
Meanwhile, FO Khurram Baloch, who resigned on August 17th in his letter to Director Flight Operations (DFO), said that he started feeling “suffocated” with the current working environment forcing him to work or face dire consequences.
Source: brecorder.com
By resigning before he was forced out, he has managed to save some of his post retirement benefits.
I won't be surprised if some of the other pilots in this list are similar cases as well.
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