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German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by Abbas Ali » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:59 pm

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Karachi, November 5, 2017: The German Ambassador to Pakistan Martin Kobler called on Chief Executive Officer PIA Dr. Musharraf Rasool Cyan at PIA Head Office Karachi and discussed matters of mutual interest, including direct flights between Pakistan and Germany. Dr. Cyan informed the honorable ambassador that rigorous market research and data analytics are being employed to take viable commercial decisions.

CEO PIA requested the German Ambassador to support PIA in getting expeditious arrangements with EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency) for PIA Engineering Certification.

Mr. Kobler said that Pakistan and Germany share strong diplomatic, business, social and friendly ties. PIA has played an important role in strengthening the ties between both the countries.

Source: PIA Press Release (November 5, 2017)
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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by Pakistan-1 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Lufthansa investing in PIA ?
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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by faisal-777 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:46 pm

Pakistan-1 wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:16 pm
Lufthansa investing in PIA ?
Right now Lufthansa is more interested in picking up the pieces left by the demise of Air Berlin, Alitalia and strengthening its subsidiaries like Lufthansa Technik
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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by haroon_ek » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:55 am

Personally, I would prefer Lufthansa making an entry in Pakistan with at least 3 flights a week (to start with). There could be a huge traffic provided they can offer competitive fares vs. ME3.

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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by pakcanaviator » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:28 am

haroon_ek wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:55 am
Personally, I would prefer Lufthansa making an entry in Pakistan with at least 3 flights a week (to start with). There could be a huge traffic provided they can offer competitive fares vs. ME3.
I agree. If Lufthansa offers reasonable fares they could grab lots of passengers however I doubt European airlines want to touch Pakistan.

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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by haroon_ek » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:36 am

pakcanaviator wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:28 am
I agree. If Lufthansa offers reasonable fares they could grab lots of passengers however I doubt European airlines want to touch Pakistan.
Exactly, that is the sad part of our country's aviation situation. Compare Isb/Lhe/Khi with just IGI, Delhi and we can compare ourselves with our neighbors.

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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by faisal-777 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:57 am

Two reasons European airlines do not touch Pakistan:

- Market has trioply of ME-3
- Pakistani passport isn't suited for connecting flights in Europe. Within Schengen, flights depart from domestic terminals. So a Pakistani passenger bound for let's say Amsterdam through Berlin would have to go through immigration at Berlin. If he/she holds Schengen visa, ain't a problem, but if they hold National Visa, then it's an issue.
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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by ammad » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:18 am

Some times these meetings happen with different purpose and for media they release another story.

For e.g. When Bernd Hildebrand was in trouble German ambassador did also visit PIA head office. My doubt for this visit is to cool down ongoing inquiry about missing A310 and saving interest of German Museum could also be possible. --But this is my speculation.
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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by Abbas Ali » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:45 pm

German ambassador also met with Shaheen Air CEO Ehsan Sehabi.



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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by haroon_ek » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:49 pm

faisal-777 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:57 am
Two reasons European airlines do not touch Pakistan:

- Market has trioply of ME-3
- Pakistani passport isn't suited for connecting flights in Europe. Within Schengen, flights depart from domestic terminals. So a Pakistani passenger bound for let's say Amsterdam through Berlin would have to go through immigration at Berlin. If he/she holds Schengen visa, ain't a problem, but if they hold National Visa, then it's an issue.
For the second point, you are correct but Lufthansa also come to Indian soil so for indians, I guess their passport also don't have the liberty to enter like us, still Lufthansa operates there......

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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by NL » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:15 pm

haroon_ek wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:49 pm
For the second point, you are correct but Lufthansa also come to Indian soil so for indians, I guess their passport also don't have the liberty to enter like us, still Lufthansa operates there......
Entry into schengen area requires the same visa for both pakistan and india. For transit (e.g. isb-fra-jfk) however, only the pakistani passport has the "honour" of being included in this list:
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Real reason for lack of european carriers is of course utter and complete lack of security for their crews and assets once on the ground in pakistan.

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Re: German Ambassador With CEO PIA Discussed Flights between Pakistan and Germany

Post by haroon_ek » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:12 pm

Thanks @NL for the clarification.