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PIA Ending New York Flights

Post by Abbas Ali » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:03 pm

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According to DAWN News channel, PIA New York flights bookings are closed from the month of December.

PIA is going to resolve this issue, according to airline's spokesperson. Adviser to the Prime Minister on Aviation, Chairman PIA and other high-level officials of the airline are in Islamabad to find solution to the problem. Hopefully the issue will be resolved by evening.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abbas Ali » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:22 pm

Currently PIA is operating once a week flight for New York, according to flights' schedule on airline's official website.

The flight is PK-711 operated with Boeing 777 every Saturday from Karachi to New York via Lahore & Manchester.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abbas Ali » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:49 pm

Instead of operating once a week long haul New York flight with long layover for crew, PIA should consider ending this service and offer code-share flights with Turkish Airlines and/or Etihad Airways.

I think PIA will need to expand its code-share agreement with these two airlines to include New York.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by ammad » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:17 pm

Code sharing with EY is not a great option as PIA could flew pax to AUH and later on it will be EY metal for 14 hours of flight, hence very less share for PIA in that deal.

Code sharing with TK is the answer. PIA should flew daily flight to IST from KHI,LHE and ISB and HUB at IST for all N.American flights, plus all European destinations minus U.K. This way PIA will be in some position to revert back some the Pax who do fly on ME3.


I think PIA internal intention is to remove Aircraft from very loss making JFK sector as much as they can. Aircraft/crew is occupied for long period of time and in the same time same Aircraft could do 4 trips to KSA, or two trips to LHR and could bring more revenue versus full occupation of same Aircraft for a day on each leg of JFK flight.
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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abbas Ali » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:07 pm

At the moment, PIA New York flights booking is not possible from the month of November on airline's website.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by umar744 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:51 pm

AA hi one problem is details:- All Pakistani passport got USA visa then need UK transit visa for stopover Manchester even need Europe transit visa for stopover Europe. Easy flight stopover Abu Dhabi have US Pre-entrance clearance AUH airport perhaps maybe PIA codeshare with EY for AUH and TK for codeshare. Long time to process apply UK & EU transit visa after US visa anywhere in world because of visa centre agent office long time instead of Embassy. My young brother Usman flew PIA from LHE to AUH then through US Pre-entrance clearance AUH less time less queue least 2 hours before departure from AUH to ORD Chicago and he said better good service in AUH than Manchester and Europe long queue & long wait & long question & long search security. I have been flew PIA MAN-ORD-MAN and MAN-JFK-MAN it long time get into boarding inside seat from check in counter same all PIA crew & pilot. Dublin & Shannon Ireland have US Pre-clearance entrance less time but maybe perhaps upgrade in UK later. Better fly PIA from Pakistan to Toronto with Canada visa then US Pre-clearance entrance in Canada to USA domestic instead of US international arrival. Government do not permit PIA nonstop from Pakistan to USA except from USA to Pakistan only due to security reason. Same like Thai Airways closed down flight to JFK in July 2008 was my last flight JFK-BKK 17 hours also closed down LAX because passengers do not want like non stop BKK-LAX-BKK and Thai Airways put codeshare with star alliance ANA and Asiana Airlines and Singapore Airlines and EVA Airways instead. PIA good seat for Toronto better than USA.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abbas Ali » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:03 am

New York sector was making loss worth Rs 450 million annually and it was not even meeting its Direct Operating Cost (DOC).

http://nation.com.pk/national/06-Oct-20 ... ion-by-dec

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Mansoor Mela » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:10 am

When will those responsible for sabotaging TK-PK be brought to justice? Most aviation watchers believe PIA made a fatal error in missing out on a life saving deal back in 2011. Everyone knows the culprits but no action has been taken against them for deliberately causing irreparable loss to a National Asset. They played into foreign hands and made a good deal look bad. Maybe one day when the last rites have been said and a commission finds out the truth they will be prosecuted.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abdulrafeysiddiqui » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:58 am

ammad wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:17 pm
Code sharing with TK is the answer. PIA should flew daily flight to IST from KHI,LHE and ISB and HUB at IST for all N.American flights, plus all European destinations minus U.K. This way PIA will be in some position to revert back some the Pax who do fly on ME3.
Agreed as Istanbul is in between the route towards UK or US while for Abu Dhabi, first we have to go south west and then head towards UK or US in north west/west direction.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by saj1288 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:13 pm

PIA to suspend NY flights from October 31. US bound passengers will be taken to London where they will be transferred to an American airline with which they will have a code share. Are they doing a code share with American Airlines?

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abbas Ali » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:48 pm

Currently New York is not in the list of destinations in PIA codeshare agreements.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Abbas Ali » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:00 pm

According to DAWN News channel, from the month of November PIA will operate once a week flight to New York every Saturday. The once-a-week service will continue till December 31, 2017.

Passengers with Wednesday flight bookings will be adjusted in flights operated on Saturday.

The airline's New York flights are suffering loss of more than 1.25 billion rupees annually.

So far, PIA has not taken final decision on termination of New York flights, according to statement of airline's spokesperson.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Amaad Lone » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:10 am

Painful death of a once great airline.

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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by Amaad Lone » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:27 am

PIA needs to connect with an airline that has an extensive network out of London into North America.

Feed that airline at least 14 weekly flights that will take care of London and US markets.

New York, Chicago, Houston, Austin, Los Angeles San Francisco Boston Miami Washington Pittsburg DC New Wark Seattle all cities one stop out of London and 14 weekly flights.

PIA can increase its load of the North American market much better then trying to operate two or even four miserable flights a week.
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Re: PIA New York Flights Booking Not Possible from December

Post by JFC » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:02 am

As PIA is not allowed to fly non stop to JFK so I guess now if they can do 7 weekly Flights to Toronto and add Toronto to JFK sector in that it will resolve many issues and they can do a daily flight to North America. It will be cost effective to add Toronto-JFK flight if possible than to keep LHE-JFK sector operational with all loses. They can keep some quota for New York station. Once it will be a daily flight than 50/50 load can be generated by Toronto and JFK.