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Club Class in Pakistan

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Only PIA has club class on domestic flights while three airlines, Shaheen, Air Blue and now recently launched Serene Air do not.

This obviously means the demand for club class within Pakistan is very low and the other three airlines do not offer it.

PIA pulled out 30 economy seats on its A320s and installed eight club class seats, that means if the 30 seats earned 600,000 per return flight between Lahore-Karachi-Lahore then the eight seats would have to be 75,000 return fare to make sense.

What is the club class fare for the 90 minute flight between Lahore and Karachi??

PIA is losing $500.000 per month per aircraft in lost revenues because the economy seats pulled out. Easy to calculate.

30 seats x 20,000 rupees fare = 600,000 rupees revenue lost for single flight. Now each A320 can do around 3 round trips between Lahore and Karachi so that is a daily loss of revenue of around 1,800,000 rupees or around $16,600 per day multiply that by 30 and you get $500,000 per aircraft.

Yes there are eight club class seats, but what is their load per flights and the revenue.

Installing club class seats on the A320 fleet was a loss making decision.
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Indeed. Actually this thing frustrates me the most. The worst decision taken by PIA just on the orders of PM sahab. As Ammad bhai has stated, even the 100 % load on current club class will not compensate the loss of revenue due to removal of 30 economy class seats. Just look at the figures stated by Ammad. Even if the loss is just $200,000 per aircraft per month ( actual is definitely more) this equals the monthly rental of these aircrafts. How on Earth they can think of being profitable with this.? How will the 15% efficiency of the A320s over 737 classics help PIA when about 15% of the revenue is lost due to removal of these seats.? How will PIA compete with the other airlines doing all-economy on their aircrafts? How PIA can provide competitive fares without compromising on profits.? Nowadays airlines are accepting deliveries of the A320s with 186 seats thanks to new arrangement of lavatory and modern slimline seats. And look at PIA... sigh...!
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this type of mathematics is beyond understanding of an airline management which is more a political influenced organization rather than a professional one so stop wasting time in calculations until the day airline is free of any politics from a peon to a CEO of PIA and from MOD till PM of the country who controls the PIA as per their desire :!:
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^ BTW, PIA, CAA and ASF were transferred from Ministry of Defence (MoD) to Aviation Division in 2013.

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Thank you Abbas for information, i just noted on www.aviation.gov.pk hence PIA is directly under jurisdiction of PM of Pakistan
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Re: Club Class in Pakistan

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Average fare from Karachi to Islamabad is about 10000 Rs. if booked a week or 10 days ago. While Club Class Average fare is about 27000 or 28000.

30 Economy seats x 10000 = 300000
08 Club Seats x 30000 = 240000

So there is loss if almost 60000 Rs. per flight if the flight is 100% full and mostly it is about 80% average, which is not making big difference.
But the loss is loss in any case.
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Average fare from Karachi to Islamabad is about 10000 Rs. if booked a week or 10 days ago. While Club Class Average fare is about 27000 or 28000.

30 Economy seats x 10000 = 300000
08 Club Seats x 30000 = 240000

So there is loss if almost 60000 Rs. per flight if the flight is 100% full and mostly it is about 80% average, which is not making big difference.
But the loss is loss in any case.
Is PIA club class always full????? chances are the economy class will be full not club class, I am sure someone from PIA can quote us the load factor for the two classes on the domestic trunk routes.

Return fare from Lahore to Karachi usually averages around 20,000 return if bought last minute I was asked for 30,000 and I flew Air Blue for 18,000 instead.
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PIA Club Class may not be always full, but it performs very well and attracts passengers. PIA is never 100% full in Economy unless it's during Summer, in which case Club is also overbooked.
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Ammar wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:19 am PIA Club Class may not be always full, but it performs very well and attracts passengers. PIA is never 100% full in Economy unless it's during Summer, in which case Club is also overbooked.
It can attract passengers for flights between karachi, Lahore, Islamabad or Peshawar but what about the other routes..? I can surely say that the average load factor of the club class on A320s on all routes throughout the year is quite low. Also there is another big issue with PIA's club class. They are using very old seats. And these seats are possibly consuming too much space. They removed 5 seat rows of economy class seats and installed only 2 seat rows of club class in place of those. If the seat pitch on PIA's economy seats on A320s is assumed to be 29 inches, then 5 seat rows were occupying 29x5=145 inches of cabin length. But now, this space is occupied by 2 seat rows only with a seat pitch of 145/2=72.5 inches..? These are not flatbeds. Why still they are consuming this much of cabin space..? May be some of the area is used up by the added curtains separating economy and club classes. But i still think these seats should occupy lesser space.
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GEnx wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:28 am
It can attract passengers for flights between karachi, Lahore, Islamabad or Peshawar but what about the other routes..? I can surely say that the average load factor of the club class on A320s on all routes throughout the year is quite low. Also there is another big issue with PIA's club class. They are using very old seats. And these seats are possibly consuming too much space. They removed 5 seat rows of economy class seats and installed only 2 seat rows of club class in place of those. If the seat pitch on PIA's economy seats on A320s is assumed to be 29 inches, then 5 seat rows were occupying 29x5=145 inches of cabin length. But now, this space is occupied by 2 seat rows only with a seat pitch of 145/2=72.5 inches..? These are not flatbeds. Why still they are consuming this much of cabin space..? May be some of the area is used up by the added curtains separating economy and club classes. But i still think these seats should occupy lesser space.
Yes, there should be special A320s configured in a high-density configuration for domestic routes. But it's needed for international routes.
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