PK789 Wing Tip Incident at YYZ

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PK789 Wing Tip Incident at YYZ

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Tonight's PK789 from LHE to YYZ, AP-BGY made contact with AF351 (F-GSPP) when PIA was taxing on to gate C36 under it's own power. Both Triples have their outbound flight cancelled. Damages looks light to both wing tips but will need Engineering to do their work before aircraft can be dispatched again.
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both aircraft involved are 777 ?
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hasan saleem wrote:both aircraft involved are 777 ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gspp
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Another photo on following link:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/p ... -1.3920299
A PIA spokesperson said that the matter was currently under investigation. He said, "The matter is under investigation and apparently the incident occurred due to an error during marshaling by the ground personnel.” He further said that there was some damage to the equipment which may require replacement. “Night stop has been declared at Toronto and passengers who had checked in for Toronto-Lahore flight PK-790 have been provided hotel accommodation so that they can wait while the aircraft is made serviceable,” he added.
http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/04-Ja ... to-airport

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Either the parked Air France plane was not at the correct space or the PIA B777 was not following the yellow line. Whatever the case, pilot of moving aircraft has the responsibility to ensure clearance.
Basic teaching during taxi....... 'whenever in doubt STOP'.
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TAILWIND wrote:Either the parked Air France plane was not at the correct space or the PIA B777 was not following the yellow line. Whatever the case, pilot of moving aircraft has the responsibility to ensure clearance.
Basic teaching during taxi....... 'whenever in doubt STOP'.
Or the marshall guiding wasn't paying attention.
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There was a time we used to boast of PIA pilots... alas, everything has gone downhill in the last 30 years or so...
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At the time of the incident there was light rain/mist and fog. Gate C36 is commonly used by PIA. Though the PIC is ultimately responsible, so close into the gate area the marshaller guiding the pilot in would have some shared responsibility. Tailwind is spot on, if ever unsure stop, stop stop! I have witnessed many times when a commander halts the aircraft because he cannot see his wing tip clearance and wants ground crew to double check. As this contact was made on the starboard side and PIC is steering from the left hand seat its possible that he/she miss judged the space and distance.

The flight was cxld and rescheduled for Jan 4, 1400 dep, then rescheduled to Jan 5, 2300 and now just showing cancelled!

PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL PK790 LAHORE Jan 4, 14:00 Jan 5, 23:00 Cancelled 3 C36
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There are two taxi lines that guide u to the parking stand at ToRonto. One of them is a solid line the other one is a dashed line. Marshaller made them taxi on the Dashed Yellow Line and initially the Visual Docking Guidance System also showed that the aircraft is on the correct path and then all of a sudden the Visual Docking system guided the aircraft to go Far Left at which point the Aircraft was stopped.During all this scenario Wing Walker was also present and he gave the thumbs up signal to the pilots during taxi in tonthe gate.Then As seen from the cockpit there was an argument between the Wing Walker and Marshaller and the aircraft was finally towed to the stand.Nor the pilots or the passengers realised that the wing clipped the Neighboring Aircraft.
During ground operations Aircraft follows the centre line till the time u have the Marshaller or Visual Dockimg System in sight.
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From the cockpit it's not possible to see the wings on 777 and it's a normal practice in ToRonto to provide a Wing Walker which in this case Gave a Thumbs Up during Taxi In.
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I am surprised this incident has not been reported at avherlad. Waiting for their account of the incident as usually they share all the details obtained from relevant sources with relevant technical information.
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GrandSlam wrote:There are two taxi lines that guide u to the parking stand at ToRonto. One of them is a solid line the other one is a dashed line.
As seen on google earth, stand C36 has only one solid yellow line for taxi into stand. Yes, C37 has a dotted line (for smaller a/c) on left and a solid line on right.
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AP-BGY has departed from Toronto as flight PK-790 to Lahore.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ap-bgy

280 passengers expected to arrive in Lahore aboard PK-790, according to City42 newspaper.

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According to Dunya News channel, Air France is seeking aircraft damage charges from PIA.

The Air France Boeing 777-228ER registration F-GSPP involved in the incident has not returned to service so far.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gspp

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