PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by faisal-777 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:40 pm

The poison theory is ridiculous, and is probably meant to divert attention from what might be the real root casue. How come the 'poison' only acted after engine went out?
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Post by Abbas Ali » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:16 pm

According to Express News channel:

Specimens already taken from bodies of Captain and First Officer will be used for medical tests.

Their bodies will not be exhumed.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by Abbas Ali » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:53 pm

In today's (January 19) newspaper:

ANNOUNCEMENT

Pakistan International Airlines Corporation Limited (PIACL) and all its employees are deeply grieved at the tragic accident of PIA flight PK-661 of 7th December 2016 near Havelian and offer their heartfelt condolences to the bereaved families of all passengers and crew members. May the departed souls rest in eternal peace and Allah Almighty receive them in his infinite mercy and sustain the bereaved families with courage and fortitude to bear this irrepairable loss.

PIA wishes to announce that in compliance with the requirements of the Carriage by Air Act, 2012, it is ready to pay compensation of PKR 5,000,000 (Pakistan Rupees Five Million only) to the legal heirs of each of those passengers who sadly lost their lives in the recent tragic accident. The amount of PKR 500,000,000 (Pakistan Rupees Five Million only) payable to the legal heirs will be exclusive of the interim/advance payments in the amount of PKR 500,000 (Pakistan Rupees Five Hundred Thousand only) paid to each bereaved family.

Final payment of PKR 5,000,000 (Pakistan Rupees Five Million only) shall be paid as soon as the legal heirs claiming compensation for the loss of their loved ones have obtained the Succession Certificates and where applicable Guardianship Certificates regarding property of the minor(s) legal heirs of the deceased and any other relevant documents.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by Bluemax » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:05 pm

Bhoja Air ACT 2012.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by Abbas Ali » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:38 am

Is this authentic?



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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by faisal-777 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:07 pm

Seems like we are not the only ones suffering from problems with ATR:

http://avherald.com/h?article=4a3867a1&opt=0
A Wings Air Avions de Transport Regional ATR-72-212A, registration PK-WFK performing flight IW-1156 from Palu to Luwuk (Indonesia) with 64 people on board, was climbing out of Palu when the crew needed to shut the right hand engine (PW127) down due to the failure of the engine and returned to Palu for a safe landing about 7 minutes after the engine failure.

Passengers reported the right hand engine emitted a loud bang.

A resident east of the aerodrome found parts believed to be parts of the engine.

The flight was cancelled, the passengers were rebooked onto other flights.

Indonesia's KNKT reported the crew declared emergency reporting a right hand engine fire and returned to Palu for a safe landing 7 minutes after departure. The aircraft taxied to the apron. The occurrence was rated a serious incident and is being investigated by the KNKT.
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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by Squawk_1200 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:04 pm

Abbas Ali wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:38 am
Is this authentic?



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The communication between aircraft and the controller sounds like real.

People from the departments working at the airports , security dept , fire brigade , airport vehicles ,airline dispatch office, have handheld scanners they can hear the pilot controller communications . What I picture is when people heard an aircraft declaring an emergency and mayday call, they got alert someone called the dept where communications can be heard requesting one of the colleague to record the audio on there personal devices such as cell phone.

A lady voice popped up few times in the audio probably she was recording.
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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by Abbas Ali » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:11 pm

^ thank you for the info.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by imiakhtar » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:16 pm

faisal-777 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:07 pm
Seems like we are not the only ones suffering from problems with ATR:
Wings Air is on the EU Blacklist.

It's not very smart bringing up examples and comparisons from black listed airlines. If you look at avherald, you will see Wings air has had a a lot of ahem, "incidents".

Engines fail every day all over the world from every engine manufacturer. That's the nature of turbomachinery and the stresses they undergo everyday. That's why pilots have operating procedures AND why aircraft are built to fly (with performance margins) on one engine.

A lot of Pakistani members here are going to be eating their words when it transpires their "best pilots in the world" are to blame.
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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by iTechno8 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:25 pm

Made with a very heavy heart

Let's shoot across the sky..

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by gooner14 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:47 pm

iTechno8 wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:25 pm
Made with a very heavy heart

I've heard that several times today and it is saddens me immensely. May Allah bless those who departed and provide solace to the bereaved. Ameen

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by Salman Haider » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:04 am

The ill-fated PIA ATR-42-500 (Registration AP-BHO). Photo dated: April 7, 2015 over Islamabad - Salman's Collection


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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by yyzflyer » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:16 am

I alsi listened to the recording, i noticed there were alarms going off in the background of PK661 (sounded like the alarm for stall?) or some other alarm definitely specially around the mayday calls.
Can we expect a real and true report from the CVR/FDR so we can find out the causes. Hopefully it wasn't situational awareness cuz of terrain issue.

Anyways, hope the report is released soon.

How many ATR's are still grounded ??

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by smhusain_1 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:33 am

i don't know whether this authentic, but repeatedly asking an aircraft if it is 'victor mike' when confirmation has already been obtained is in bad taste and unprofessional. The channel should have been immediately cleared of other aircraft when the aircraft had declared an emergency quite sometime back.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

Post by TAILWIND » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:24 am

I would call it a rumor, yet this is widely known in the circles that know inside stories.
In the last 25 minutes of recording, CVR did not pick up any voice signal from captain of the ill fated plane.