Shaheen Air Crash Landing at LHE

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News channels have shown First Information Report (FIR) lodged at Lahore Cantonment Sarwar Road Police Station against the pilot by Lahore Airport duty terminal manager.

According to a news channel, police raided the house of pilot after getting reports that he was planning to leave the country.

Seems a segment of pilots community has been mobilised to defend the pilot on news media and they are blaming the aircraft for accident.

Pilots community should not defend wrong acts of their colleagues that endanger lives of passengers and crew.

Pilot if found guilty should be sacked by Shaheen Air and his licence should be cancelled by CAA.

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Personal fault is never admitted in this country. They will blame everyone else and everything, God included but never themselves.
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According to Pakistan CAA spokesperson statement on a news channel:

Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) legal limit is 40 milligrams per deciliter of alcohol in bloodstream for pilots.
Shaheen Air flight NL-142 captain was found to have 83 milligrams per deciliter of alcohol in his bloodstream.

That's more than double of FAA legal limit.

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they could have used exit control list if he was planning to leave country, but doing this kind of misadventure by raiding his home is totally unacceptable.
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Abbas Ali wrote:According to Pakistan CAA spokesperson statement on a news channel:

Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) legal limit is 40 milligrams per deciliter of alcohol in bloodstream for pilots.
Shaheen Air flight NL-142 captain was found to have 83 milligrams per deciliter of alcohol in his bloodstream.

That's more than double of FAA legal limit.

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One needs 4 standard drinks (1 std drink = 350ml beer 5% by volume) in preceding 2 hours to reach 83mg/dL in blood. He must have been drinking much more to be there after so many hours since last glass \:D/
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jibran_rock wrote:they could have used exit control list if he was planning to leave country, but doing this kind of misadventure by raiding his home is totally unacceptable.
Pre Mature move from the Operator. Be ready for PALPA Move !
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jibran_rock wrote:doing this kind of misadventure by raiding his home is totally unacceptable.
That's not mis adventure, that's the way how law enforcement agencies conduct raid to arrest some one on ground of ostensibly serious charges.
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Why should and why would PALPA get into this mess?? Totally baseless rumours that Pilot community is being mobilised to save the Captain.Investigation is still going on and although The captain was above the legal alcohol limit for which he should be punished and he should never be allowed to ever pilot the aircraft but landing gear failure is also a strong probability.Accidents are chain of events so let's be patient and let the investigators do their job.
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According to ARY News channel, Pakistan Air Line Pilots' Association (PALPA) has called a special/emergency meeting in which pilots of private airlines also have been invited.

News channels also showed interview of a pilot who took part in this accident investigation and he was blaming Shaheen Air and its aircraft for the accident.

News channels also saying that Shaheen Air flight NL-142 captain is or was PALPA member.

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ammad wrote:
That's not mis adventure, that's the way how law enforcement agencies conduct raid to arrest some one on ground of ostensibly serious charges.
You are justifying a wrong act. Serious charges can only be framed by SIB in their inquiry report, then further action should have been taken. Was it a President SIB recommendation to arrest the Pilot like this in the middle of inquiry? he is innocent until proven guilty
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What are Pakistan CAA rules/penalty for pilots caught having blood alcohol level crossing legal limit?

Apparently pilots in Europe and North America get arrested for having blood alcohol above legal limit even if the aircraft is not involved in any incident/accident.

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^ AOA abbas bhai


I think PALPA is doing wrong. Whether the crash is blame on aircraft or not, the reason pilot had high alcohol in blood is warranted enough for crime. I don't understand why PALPA defending someone who flew plane while drunk.


There is very good movie "Flight." In this movie, the pilot is drunk and does cocaine in morning to get out of drunkness. He flies plane, something goes wrong but he saves many lives. Still the court finds him guilty and he serves jail sentence.

Wrong is wrong. Even if he save 1000 lives, it will set bad precedented in pilot community "it's ok to drink if no one dies and I save airplane"
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uzairali wrote:Whether the crash is blame on aircraft or not, the reason pilot had high alcohol in blood is warranted enough for crime.
Exactly, and therefore no reason to wait for the outcome of the crash investigation. No different from drunk driving, police aren't going to let you go just because you hadn't yet killed someone or crashed your vehicle.

Several cases in Europe in recent years have seen flight crew charged over being drunk (the limit being just 0.02% here), also when caught before even boarding their aircraft. Recent example here, with jail sentences of 10, 6, 2 and 1.5 months for pilot, co-pilot and cabin crew respectively.
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jibran_rock wrote:
ammad wrote:
That's not mis adventure, that's the way how law enforcement agencies conduct raid to arrest some one on ground of ostensibly serious charges.
You are justifying a wrong act. Serious charges can only be framed by SIB in their inquiry report, then further action should have been taken. Was it a President SIB recommendation to arrest the Pilot like this in the middle of inquiry? he is innocent until proven guilty
Not sure what your frame of reference is, didn't you saw his blood Alcohol report, and havoc he wreak while landing perfectly fine 737 Aircraft in almost normal condition to land? Don't you know even **driving** under influence of Alcohol is crime even under Pakistani law? and he is piloting Aircraft with more than 120 plus passengers on board, which literally escape fatal disaster by some inches, and you are worried about his Arrest?

Don't compel me to write, but try put your self in place of any of the passenger of this flight, and then only you will be able to realize that best place of Alcoholic Captain is Jail, not the left seat.
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