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Malaysia Airlines avoiding Pak air space?

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Just saw two MH flights divert over southern Iran onto the sea rather than fly over Pakistan, all other reputed Asian and European carriers flying normally over Pak and Afghan air space.
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Malaysia Airlines stopped using Pakistan air space after a Safety Information Bulletin (SIB) issued by European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) in January this year.

The SIB advised aircraft operators to exercise “extreme caution” when planning to fly into, out of, within or above Pakistan airspace.

EASA position remains unchanged in revision 2 of that SIB issued on October 16, 2015. Details on following link:

http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2015-02R2

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Laughable SQ flying A380s over Afghan and Pak just saw two from FRA and LHR fly simultaneusly, yet MH feel insecure.
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AIC France Circular A 23/15 issued by DGAC-France

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From 17/01/2015 and until further notice, French carriers are requested to ensure that their aircraft maintain at all times a flight level equal to or above FL240 in the airspace of Pakistan (OPLR FIR (LAHORE) and OPKR FIR (KARACHI)).
NOTAM AFP56646 issued by United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (UK CAA)

Hazardous situation in Pakistan. Potential risk to aviation overflying Karachi and Lahore FIRs at less than 25,000 ft above ground level (AGL) from dedicated anti-aviation weaponry. Operators are advised to take this information into account in their own risk assessment and routeing decisions.
Source: http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2015-02R2

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Thanks Abbas, some big names flew over Af-Pak just a while back, five SQ flights alone.
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^ You're welcome.

Pakistan CAA/Aviation Division should do something to get that SIB removed from EASA website.

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CoyBoy wrote:Laughable SQ flying A380s over Afghan and Pak just saw two from FRA and LHR fly simultaneusly, yet MH feel insecure.
It's not laughable when you've had a public relations disaster following 2 777 losses.

It's not like the safety bulletin is a made up threat either.

It mentions a risk to aircraft below 24/25k feet.

We know that anti-state elements have access to aa guns and in the past had access to stinger sams. Furthermore, given aircraft have been targeted at PEW not to mention KHI and Pasni radar attacked, the bulletins are prudent.

Whether an airline wants to exercise greater caution and not transit at all isn't all too extreme therefore.
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Yeh but everyone else is flying over Afghan and Pak specifically those airlines the watning was issued to i saw OS, LH, KL, LX, AF and BA fly over Pak some came in through Afghanistan, all of SQ flights are coming in through there only, not even Iran.
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CoyBoy wrote:Yeh but everyone else is flying over Afghan and Pak specifically those airlines the watning was issued to i saw OS, LH, KL, LX, AF and BA fly over Pak some came in through Afghanistan, all of SQ flights are coming in through there only, not even Iran.
How many of those airlines have lost aircraft in the last two years?

Why do you think the current Chief of Malaysian said that a new re-brand is needed if Malaysia is to have a flag carrier.

Malaysia Airlines is no stranger to media scrutiny.

In the past two years, the airline has had its name splashed across every major publication with industry experts from marketing to aviation to security scrutinising every move it makes. Millions of people today are still following every word the airline utters as the mystery of its airline MH370 goes unresolved.

“That kind of scrutiny can force you to not move, but we knew we had to move,” said Dean Dacko, CMO of Malaysia Airlines, who was speaking at the Adobe Digital Marketing Symposium 2015.

He was quick to admit the past two years for the airline had not been easy ones, describing the entire journey as a “blur” and somewhat “surreal”. In the first 10 days after the MH370 tragedy, the company saw a huge commercial impact with 10 straight days of an average of 100,000 cancellations a day.

“The commercial impact was absolutely devastating and the magnitude of it was unbelievable. But more dramatic was the emotional component of the event impacting over 500 lives along with the staff members and colleagues we personally knew and worked with,” he said.

“Some days we could not believe what was happening to us. We went from managing one crisis to the second crisis of MH17, to moving into totally recreating and the redevelopment of an entire organisation. All of which were across a relatively short period of time.”


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So terrorists are going to target another MH plane for unknown reasons, but not any Western airline.
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CoyBoy wrote:So terrorists are going to target another MH plane for unknown reasons, but not any Western airline.
After loosing 2 planes in less than 6 months looks like that MH management is fearmongering
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MH cannot afford pay to Pakistan airspace cost bill however other major airlines plenty different can afford bill and still fly overfly Pakistan no problem no worry. my friends have been flew UA from NY to BOM overfly LHE no problem no worry. it only one MH minor complicated
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umar744 wrote:MH cannot afford pay to Pakistan airspace cost bill however other major airlines plenty different can afford bill and still fly overfly Pakistan no problem no worry. my friends have been flew UA from NY to BOM overfly LHE no problem no worry. it only one MH minor complicated
How much does it cost to fly over Pakistan ?
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CoyBoy wrote:So terrorists are going to target another MH plane for unknown reasons, but not any Western airline.
Reading comprehension sucks.

MH is more risk averse. Simple. Easily deducible from my post.
umar744 wrote:MH cannot afford pay to Pakistan airspace cost bill
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You're wrong.

It's actually cheaper to fly over Pakistan than it is to overfly Iran.
Pakistan-1 wrote:After loosing 2 planes in less than 6 months looks like that MH management is fearmongering
Seriously people.

Is it the full moon or something that all the idiots have crawled out the woodwork?

What airline in the world would want to spread fear amongst customers. That really makes sense doesn't it - what better way to fill seats!

We need a bang the head against the wall smiley for some of the responses on these forums.
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Abbas please take note of this person calling us idiots.

Sorry MH is being stupid no two ways about it.