PK-722 Circling Around JFK

[Ali Hasan]

PK-722 (JFK-LHE) is circling just southeast of JFK at the moment. It is flying at 6,000 feet probably dumping fuel. It looks like the aircraft turned around soon after take-off.

The aircraft involved is AP-BID. FR24 reporting landing gear indication: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 3324918784

[talhamala]

I am listening to JFK ground it looks like they have some kind of steering problem,the aircraft is being towed from runway.

[Abbas Ali]

Unable to retract landing gear? Or some problem with hydraulics?


Source: flightradar24.com

Abbas

[Abbas Ali]

The Boeing 777 was unable to retract landing gear after takeoff from New York, according to details on "The Aviation Herald" on following link:

http://avherald.com/h?article=48c1724c&opt=0

Later, it was able to depart from New York for flight to Lahore.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bid

Abbas

[Abbas Ali]

Update:

On Sep 10th 2015 The Aviation Herald learned that a maintenance engineer had installed gear pins, maintenance was continued by the next shift who did not remove the gear pins. The gear pins did not carry the red tags and thus were invisible during the walk around by ground personnel and the flight crew.

http://avherald.com/h?article=48c1724c&opt=0

Must have been big fuel bill for the airline due to gear lock pins left in the landing gear due to someone's negligence. Are people held accountable for such acts of negligence?

Abbas

[Rana]

Update:

On Sep 10th 2015 The Aviation Herald learned that a maintenance engineer had installed gear pins, maintenance was continued by the next shift who did not remove the gear pins. The gear pins did not carry the red tags and thus were invisible during the walk around by ground personnel and the flight crew.

http://avherald.com/h?article=48c1724c&opt=0

Must have been big fuel bill for the airline due to gear lock pins left in the landing gear due to someone's negligence. Are people held accountable for such acts of negligence?

Abbas

Ok engineer made mistake but HOW CAPTIN DID PRE FLIGHT CHECK ? Who was that idiot ? He have check list before moving from stand , he have to check that gear pins are at place in cabin. REALY IDIOT =D> . Should be suspended from flight .

[shamxa]

Mate chill - if the equipment used wasn't even "designed" to be detected (red tags), then what did you expect from the crew? If you expect them to pay heed to such minute details, then you might as well expect the crew to ensure that every rivet in every PIA A310 is in place before every flight - if you keep that line of thought.

[Squawk_1200]

Why use self made and non aircraft approved methods and equipment which can be joepardize the safety of aircraft. Walkaround pre flight inspections and checklists were designed for thaose reasons not just kicks on the tyres . Checklists say " any thing unusual is seen ".

[GrandSlam]

Let's Be clear Rana Pilot flying a 777 is not a rookie.further more before commenting on someone's professional capability do some research.did u ever see the 777 checklist???do u know where are the gear pins placed in the aircraft???do u know when and why are the gear pins installed?? Do u know there is a procedure that a log book entry has to made when gear pins are installed?? Do u know that a Remove Before Flight Warning streamer has to attached to the lock so it's easily visible????..so Instead of calling someone an idiot and coming to a conclusion get your self some understanding of avaition procedures..
Yes,accountability is must.An inquiry must be conducted and the one who made this mistake must be taken to task.

[Pakistan-1]

Update:

On Sep 10th 2015 The Aviation Herald learned that a maintenance engineer had installed gear pins, maintenance was continued by the next shift who did not remove the gear pins. The gear pins did not carry the red tags and thus were invisible during the walk around by ground personnel and the flight crew.

Abbas

Which company does the ground handling of PIA aircraft at JFK?
and btw whose job is to install and remove the pins? and How do these pins look like and what is their purpose?

[Abbas Ali]

How do these pins look like

http://www.aeropin.com/images/kit1.jpg
http://www.thingsforacftsupport.com/adp ... 611_ad.jpg
http://www.aeropin.com/images/pin1d.jpg

what is their purpose?

To prevent landing gear collapse/retraction on the ground.

Abbas

[Rana]

Let's Be clear Rana Pilot flying a 777 is not a rookie.further more before commenting on someone's professional capability do some research.did u ever see the 777 checklist???do u know where are the gear pins placed in the aircraft???do u know when and why are the gear pins installed?? Do u know there is a procedure that a log book entry has to made when gear pins are installed?? Do u know that a Remove Before Flight Warning streamer has to attached to the lock so it's easily visible????..so Instead of calling someone an idiot and coming to a conclusion get your self some understanding of avaition procedures..
Yes,accountability is must.An inquiry must be conducted and the one who made this mistake must be taken to task.

Dear First of all do,nt make yourself only one here belongs to Aviation and Maintenance )) I do,nt like to write about myself here. Waht do you think about Msc in Maintenance of Aircrafts Avionics and more than 10 years experience in an EASA Part 145&147 approved Org. with 3 type ratings.)))
First of all when we have to put gear lock pins?
1) When down time is more than 3 hours ( I do,nt know about PIA transit check task card ) but should be removed before flight and it is written in transit check task card, while before departure procedure.
2) Maintenance purpuse . (as per AMM procedure)
In both case pins should be remove after maintenance ,before flight as written in AMM and transit check task card . If it should be written in TLB (Technical log book ) that pins have been installed , it is internal procedure of Airline not AMM recquirments .
In PIA cas I am 100% agree that mistake of maintenace guy but for witch purpuse crew is doing prefilght check ? 100 % sure that in PIA pre flight procedure is written to check that pins are not installed or removed and placed in flight compartment at proper place . Cannot say about PIA but mostly company have in their checklist befor taxi written to check pitot cover, gare pins etc. are on place .THIS IS CROSS CHECK AND HERE IS FAULT OF CREW OR YOU CAN SAY NEGLIGENCE . FAA is doing inquiry not CAA Pakistan)) so every thing will be cleare .

[ammad]

Which company does the ground handling of PIA aircraft at JFK?

Swissport international.

[ammad]

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[Rana]

Let's Be clear Rana Pilot flying a 777 is not a rookie.further more before commenting on someone's professional capability do some research.did u ever see the 777 checklist???do u know where are the gear pins placed in the aircraft???do u know when and why are the gear pins installed?? Do u know there is a procedure that a log book entry has to made when gear pins are installed?? Do u know that a Remove Before Flight Warning streamer has to attached to the lock so it's easily visible????..so Instead of calling someone an idiot and coming to a conclusion get your self some understanding of avaition procedures..
Yes,accountability is must.An inquiry must be conducted and the one who made this mistake must be taken to task.

Specialy for Mr. GrandSlam) Be Happy