Helicopter Crashes in Mansehra

[Abbas Ali]

A PAF Mi-17 helicopter was damaged during takeoff from Chitral on August 6.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23503

Abbas

[Shahab]

To my knowledge this helicopter was flying in to evacuate the injured crew of the other crash mentioned. An extremely sad day for army aviation and army medical core. I hope this incident is thoroughly investigated and lessons learned. We are from Allah and to Him we shall return.

[Abbas Ali]

It's an Afghan Mi-17 crash in Paroon, Nuristan, Afghanistan. The crash happened on May 11, 2011.

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?p=498199
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=122221
http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home ... mi-17.html

Abbas

[Shahid]

May Allah give to martyrs higher place in the Heaven and give patience to the bereaved families.
Very sad day for Pakistan's Forces and Pakistani nation.

[Abbas Ali]

Wreckage piece of Pakistan Army Mi-17 helicopter that crashed in Mansehra on August 6, 2015.

Abbas

[AP-BGL]

Details of the officers who lost their lives:

Medical Core:
Maj Usman Ullah, Pulmonalogist
Maj Shahzad, Anaesthetist.
Maj Atif, Surgeon (Promoted last month)

Army Aviation:
Pilot Maj Humayun
Pilot Maj Muzamil

[TAILWIND]

These pictures are of a PAF MI-17 helicopter tail no 15-016 (probably the one which had incident in Chitral), whereas the helicopter which crashed in mansehra is 58657. This was an air-ambulance helicopter enroute to Gilgit from Qasim. It had crew of 4 and a team of 8 medics including 3 specialist doctors as mentioned by AP-BGL. They were proceeding to bring back a seriously injured/sick soldier from military hospital in Gilgit. Initial reports suggest it was CFIT due to bad ex.
Tragic indeed.

[Shahab]

What a tragic loss to the nation. There was absolutely no need to have three specialists on a medical evacuation flight. It only required trained paramedics. With the no of Mi 17 losses army needs to take a long and hard look at these machines and there maintenance procedures.

[TAILWIND]

Don't understand how can someone pass judgment so soon. Without knowing the condition of patient and type of injuries or sickness, facilities available and tjose required for treatment, availability of specialists, how does one comment of the number of doctors onboard?????
Medevac is a very organised process. The request for such missions is initiated through local formations with inputs from local medical authorities. It comes to GHQ medical directorate where they evaluate the requirement and if justified, sanction the mission. Then the experts depeding upon the condition of patient and the type of care/intervention required, decide on the composition of medical team to be despatched.

On the other hand without knowing the cause of crash, how does one comment on the maintenence.
Please be rest assured Army Aviation has sound professionals (who may not be as knowledgeable as few on this forum) yet know theier job a little bit.
Apologies for being a little harsh in words.

[Shahab]

Hi Tailwind

My evacuation comments are based on first hand knowledge based on comments of amc personal familiar with the situation. With the no of Mi-17 crashes in the recent past it was indeed a generalized comment about maintenance. Again a large number of crashes of the same type of helicopter points to either mechanical or pilot issues, but that of course is my personal opinion.

Regards

[TAILWIND]

Thanks Shahab.
However please note that MI-17 has the largest population. It is the main stay of aviations cargo, troop transport and heavy utility efforts. Has mor numbers, flies more hence accidents too are more as compared to other types. This is no justifcation, only a statistical inference.

[Abbas Ali]

Locals say weather was poor with low visibility due to fog at the time of accident. They were saying they they excitedly saw the helicopter as it overflew their area and then they heard the sound of its crash.


A new channel reporter said the helicopter crashed on the other side of this hill.

Abbas