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If we talk about the A320's the requirement is going to be something like this 13 into 8 = 104 first officers required
Once again I dont think the A320 is going to do more then 250 hours a month, so why do they need 8 first officers.

I think the basic salary is for 70 hours per month, so even with 50 hours a month PIA does not need for then 5 per aircraft or a total of 65 for the entire fleet.
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Last heard PIA says there should be a set of 8 first officers per aircraft.
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Last heard PIA says there should be a set of 8 first officers per aircraft.
Who did you hear it from??

Once again look at the numbers:

And ATR flies around 200 hours per month.

An A320 flies around 250 hours per month.

A PIA pilot gets around 70 hours per month salary.

Even at 50 hours per month I dont see 8 first officers per aircraft, tops 5.
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There was a time when there were 12-14 first officers on ATR per aircraft.
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There was a time when there were 12-14 first officers on ATR per aircraft.
I know for a fact that there was a time that each pilot was getting around 20 hours a month.

That does not make sense when you are paying them a salary of 50-60 hours a month.

PIA trained pilots for a fleet of seven aircraft.

Then you ground four or three of them over time. Obviously the average per aircraft will go up.
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AP-BHO is now operational !!
Total ATRs flying now are Nine(9).
AP-BHP inshaALLAH rolling out mid of next month....

@Amaad Lone
Makes sense. But what about succession planning? There are around 50+ retirements by year end 2015 from different equipment especially B777 creating shortage of flight crew,
So keeping 8 F/O's on ATR is no big deal since transition would be very quick in the coming months.
Otherwise the operation will be hampered due crew contraints in the coming months after the retirements take place, as u r not very much aware of PALPA working agreement regarding rest and other things that's why as a layman ur post is justified but reality is quite different!
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There are around 50+ retirements by year end 2015 from different equipment especially B777 creating shortage of flight crew,
If these retirements are at 60, then they can get re-hired on two to three year contracts also keeping the B777 operational pilots at strong numbers.

I do not know the workings of PIA or PALPA, but do know that if a certain type is flying 250 hours a month, it does not require 8 first officers.
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Re-hiring is an option but again palpa is against it and recently this point got turned down by PIA BoDs.

But if once the retirements take place by end of this year there wont be sufficient crew even to fly the 250 hours of type.

So in order to avoid that situation they have planned to keep minimum 6 FOs on ATR and 320 so currently FOs on ATR should be around 60. Keeping AP-BHN out of picture so taking 10 ATRs into account.
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Is there any way to get rid of PALPA ?
And why do they always cause problems and what's their History ?
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That's a great news! Good to see AP-BHO back. Hope to see AP-BHP flying by mid of august too. InshAllah! That's right I don't see those pilots getting a contract signed to fly after 60 and as far as this inititaive by PALPA is concerned according to my opinion PALPA is right there so just appreciate the fact that they are standing against something which is not going to be good for the airline. 50 plus retirements by the end of 2015. That's a big number. If a captain retires in that case they gotta train a good number of cadets cause not every pilot gets to being promoted to 777 as a captain. So they gotta plan. They have to plan ahead.
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Hashmax wrote:AP-BHO is now operational !!
Total ATRs flying now are Nine(9).
AP-BHP inshaALLAH rolling out mid of next month....
Wondering how AP-BHP is doing, is it online or waiting for spares?
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ammad wrote:
Hashmax wrote:AP-BHO is now operational !!
Total ATRs flying now are Nine(9).
AP-BHP inshaALLAH rolling out mid of next month....
Wondering how AP-BHP is doing, is it online or waiting for spares?
Still awaiting some spares and ONE engine.
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According to DAWN News channel, PIA ATR 42-500 registration AP-BHN is grounded since around eighteen months due to lack of spares.

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10th ATR goes operational.
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Abbas Ali wrote:According to DAWN News channel, PIA ATR 42-500 registration AP-BHN is grounded since around eighteen months due to lack of spares.

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That is unheard of in any commercial operations.