Umair94 wrote:I am finding it very strange how the chairman of PIA is openly discussing things that are even not confirmed yet. Yet, it look likes as if he tells everyone what they want to hear
Chairman PIA? Where and what did he say?
Abbas
Dear Umair,
Chairman PIA already tweeted about PIA s new fleet and rest of the things are available on internet. Tenders, bids airline details etc... Final decision is still pending from Pia and higher authorities but things were pretty clear that PIA will get new planes including airbus babies and Boeing 777.
EK, EY, SV, PK, AIR BLUE, EASY JET, AA, TG, MH, FLY BE, VUELING, SAS, SWISS, LH, BA, AIR BERLIN, RYAN AIR, GERMAN WINGS, JET BLUE, U.A, QATAR , AZAL ...
was it pre-determined bidding for b777. strange that they didnt pre-select any a330.
we all want the almost brand-new b77w from kenya airways.but the management needs to do their homework and answer the following:
1. what do they really need based on their route and passenger loads? not based on their 'wants' or for status.
2.can they afford all 9 or even all 3 77w from kenya airways? monthly leasing rate would be above $1 Million
why not 1-2 vietnam b772 er and 1-2 77w from kenya airways
the b772 er can be configured in high density config for saudi flights.
is their any limit on the number of seats for toronto?
mac777 wrote:was it pre-determined bidding for b777. strange that they didnt pre-select any a330.
we all want the almost brand-new b77w from kenya airways.but the management needs to do their homework and answer the following:
1. what do they really need based on their route and passenger loads? not based on their 'wants' or for status.
2.can they afford all 9 or even all 3 77w from kenya airways? monthly leasing rate would be above $1 Million
why not 1-2 vietnam b772 er and 1-2 77w from kenya airways
the b772 er can be configured in high density config for saudi flights.
is their any limit on the number of seats for toronto?
Dear... As far as i know the A330 is a direct replacement plan of A310 babies..
B77W is the ideal choice of replacing big jumbos as practicing by all major airliners in the world. ( cathay Pacific )
With b77W airline can get the adv of more revenue due to additional cargo lift as well as passengers.
Yes i agree with ur point of acquiring 2 b772 or converting older 772s to all economy high density aircrafts for saudi and middle east operations.
Tornoto flights are dependant on MTOW and range of aircraft and Alhumdulillah all of our 09 boing jets are capable to fly YYZ or JfK non stop....
EK, EY, SV, PK, AIR BLUE, EASY JET, AA, TG, MH, FLY BE, VUELING, SAS, SWISS, LH, BA, AIR BERLIN, RYAN AIR, GERMAN WINGS, JET BLUE, U.A, QATAR , AZAL ...
mac777 wrote:was it pre-determined bidding for b777. strange that they didnt pre-select any a330.
we all want the almost brand-new b77w from kenya airways.but the management needs to do their homework and answer the following:
1. what do they really need based on their route and passenger loads? not based on their 'wants' or for status.
2.can they afford all 9 or even all 3 77w from kenya airways? monthly leasing rate would be above $1 Million
why not 1-2 vietnam b772 er and 1-2 77w from kenya airways
the b772 er can be configured in high density config for saudi flights.
is their any limit on the number of seats for toronto?
Dear... As far as i know the A330 is a direct replacement plan of A310 babies..
B77W is the ideal choice of replacing big jumbos as practicing by all major airliners in the world. ( cathay Pacific )
With b77W airline can get the adv of more revenue due to additional cargo lift as well as passengers.
Yes i agree with ur point of acquiring 2 b772 or converting older 772s to all economy high density aircrafts for saudi and middle east operations.
Tornoto flights are dependant on MTOW and range of aircraft and Alhumdulillah all of our 09 boing jets are capable to fly YYZ or JfK non stop....
the bidding documents mentioned twin engined plane with capacity above 300 seats. hence an airbus a330-300 is a contender.(unless they also mentioned a certain range). a330-200 can be used as a replacement for a310 but a330-300 is not. the latter has more or less equal number of seats though with less range.
Omairi7 wrote:
Alhumdulillah all of our 09 boing jets are capable to fly YYZ or JfK non stop....
Issue is not Aircraft range, but the crew bunker which fewer 777 have, hence crew members always reluctant to fly non stop on yyz route on B777 which don't have crew rest bunker.
A332 for A310 replacement, while A333 in single class layout for saudi and local routes as 747 replacement. Plus cockpit commonality with A320. This is a perfect package. Also, these can be replaced by neos in future with minimal training of crew.
Also, the upcoming A321neo Lr has 4000nm range with 206 pax. This is the perfect aircraft for europe, south east asia and japan.
Pakistan-1 wrote:
It will be unwise to use narrow bodies because all of the competetors in the region are using wide bodies
Yes it will be 'unwise', but when a B777 carries 70-80 pax in peak season then theres no choice except to shutdown destination... PIA needs to increase frequency not capacity (although capacity increases with increase in frequency... )
GEnx wrote:
Also, the upcoming A321neo Lr has 4000nm range with 206 pax. This is the perfect aircraft for europe, south east asia and japan.
Do you really want to kill us by making us sit in Narrow Bodies for 7 hours + ?
There should'nt be any issue. 18-inch wide seats on A320s are wider than 9-abreast 787s and 10-abreast 777s. With good IFE, better legroom this can be used for destinations, where PIA has shut down because it cannot use 777 on those routes.
Kenya Airways to retire its Boeing 777s this summer
Kenya Airways (Nairobi) is planning to phase out its Boeing 777s this summer as its new Boeing 787s will complete the take over all of its long-haul international routes.
According to Airline Route, the carrier is planning to retire its last Boeing 777-200 ER tentatively on May 18 on the Dubai – Nairobi route.
According to the same report, the airline is also planning to phase out its relatively new Boeing 777-300ERs. The last flight is currently scheduled for September 26 on the London (Heathrow) – Nairobi route.
In fact i was pleasantly surprise to see three B777-300 ER powered by GE of Kenyan Airways which we were discussing here before opening of bids are offered to PIA. let see out of these nine which three of them PIA going to induct.
but wat ever we have on 3 planes so far is strongly in favor of kenya airways.. [-o< 
