PIA Boeing 777 Cabin Upgrade Program

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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Sherry3002 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:16 pm

dreamliner99 wrote:^ How long ago did Shujaat Azeem reply to you?
About Dec 2015 - Jan 2016.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by CoyBoy » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:35 pm

I was at PIA I would have created a separate department that would make sure J class is international standard.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Amaad Lone » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:00 pm

A lot of business class passengers travel on two or three day business trips. They dont have time to wait for PIA twice weekly service to Milan, Paris Copenhagen Oslo New York or Toronto flights.

Four stations in mainland Europe, that is pathetic.

Twice weekly to New York, that was their frequency in 1982.

Business class travelers want frequency that PIA cannot offer to Europe and North America.

The only place they can offer is London, Jeddah or Dubai.

PIA should become an all economy airline and worry about filling up the 30 percent of planes that are flying empty.

Forget wasting money on club class seats, seats that will be occupied by politicians or PIA crew.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by CoyBoy » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:14 pm

They could look into downgrading to a regional J like priduct, that might fill up more with reduced fare, cheaper no lie fllat seats, no chinaware, no trolley buffet service.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Sherry3002 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:31 pm

Amaad Lone wrote:A lot of business class passengers travel on two or three day business trips. They dont have time to wait for PIA twice weekly service to Milan, Paris Copenhagen Oslo New York or Toronto flights.

Four stations in mainland Europe, that is pathetic.

Twice weekly to New York, that was their frequency in 1982.

Business class travelers want frequency that PIA cannot offer to Europe and North America.

The only place they can offer is London, Jeddah or Dubai.

PIA should become an all economy airline and worry about filling up the 30 percent of planes that are flying empty.

Forget wasting money on club class seats, seats that will be occupied by politicians or PIA crew.
The average business trip takes 3-4 days. A twice - thrice weekly flight is fine. The destinations in Europe are what you'd expect from an airline that is literally dragging itself along. London is 10 weekly to Pakistan, or 4 -3 weekly to each of the main cities. Jeddah is about 7x weekly from the 3 main cities combined, also fine. Dubai is 2x Daily from ISB, Daily from LHE and Daily from KHI. Overall that's 28 flights a week to DXB.

An all economy airline? When they can't even fill up their already small economy class? Why waste that space when there ARE people who fly Business Class in PIA.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Abbas Ali » Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:44 pm

Business Class layout with 24 STELIA SOLSTYS (http://www.stelia-aerospace.com/en/p16-passenger-seats/) seats for PIA Boeing 777-200ER & Boeing 777-200LR aircraft.

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Business Class layout with 24 STELIA SOLSTYS seats for PIA Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.
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Currently PIA Boeing 777s have 35 Business Class seats.

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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by CoyBoy » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:56 pm

Company name changed? it used to be Sogerma.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Abbas Ali » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:17 pm

^ A wholly-owned subsidiary of the Airbus Group, STELIA Aerospace offers global solutions for aeronautical manufacturers and airlines. Resulting from the merger, on 1st January 2015, between Aerolia and Sogerma, STELIA Aerospace designs and produces aerostructures, crew seats and business and first class passenger seats.

Source: http://www.stelia-aerospace.com/en/stel ... p10-group/

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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Amaad Lone » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:40 pm

Air Blue is bring in 220 seat A321s to fly against your 158 seat A320s.

Shaheen is bringin 320 seat A330s in all economy.

PIA is upgrading its club class down from 35 seats to 24, and probably the fare would remain the same.

PIA loses 300 billion in ten years and it decides to upgrade it club class, probably exactly what the PM ordered.

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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Sherry3002 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:54 pm

Abbas Ali wrote:Business Class layout with 24 STELIA SOLSTYS (http://www.stelia-aerospace.com/en/p16-passenger-seats/) seats for PIA Boeing 777-200ER & Boeing 777-200LR aircraft.

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Business Class layout with 24 STELIA SOLSTYS seats for PIA Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.
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Currently PIA Boeing 777s have 35 Business Class seats.

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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by CoyBoy » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:54 pm

Didnt the hidden investor ask them to upgrade J product? the one who is having cabin crew trained by QR.

Thanks Abbas, so all of last year when it had become Stelia we were discussing it as Sogerma.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Abbas Ali » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:19 pm

^ You're welcome.

Actually bids were opened on December 3, 2014, for installation of new Business Class seats in two Boeing 777-200LR aircraft of PIA and then Sogerma was one of the bidders.

Later, it was decided to upgrade Business Class of all nine PIA Boeing 777s.

I hope PIA by consulting aircraft lessor AerCap also gets Business Class of two ex-Vietnam Airlines Boeing 777-200ERs (AP-BMG and AP-BMH) upgraded with these new seats.

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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Sherry3002 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:47 am

Abbas Ali wrote:^ You're welcome.

Actually bids were opened on December 3, 2014, for installation of new Business Class seats in two Boeing 777-200LR aircraft of PIA and then Sogerma was one of the bidders.

Later, it was decided to upgrade Business Class of all nine PIA Boeing 777s.

I hope PIA by consulting aircraft lessor AerCap also gets Business Class of two ex-Vietnam Airlines Boeing 777-200ERs (AP-BMG and AP-BMH) upgraded with these new seats.

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They are. I complained about the recliners to Mr. Azeem who said that it was their priority to fit BMG/H with these.
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by Sherry3002 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:56 pm

Anything new?
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Re: PIA to Buy New Business Class Seats for Boeing 777 Fleet

Post by uzairali » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:26 am

Amaad Lone wrote:Air Blue is bring in 220 seat A321s to fly against your 158 seat A320s.

Shaheen is bringin 320 seat A330s in all economy.

PIA is upgrading its club class down from 35 seats to 24, and probably the fare would remain the same.

PIA loses 300 billion in ten years and it decides to upgrade it club class, probably exactly what the PM ordered.

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Though indeed many business customers would prefer service of Emirates or other airlines to Europe, however with Shaheen and Airblue choosing all economy flights, PIA won't face competition on direct flights for business customers.

With these kind of seats, I think many business customers won't mind switching over to PIA from me3, due to the hours of time they save. What PIA will need to do is also improve business service, such as not giving food in plastic plates, non functioning IFE (or old quality) and of course on time arrivals without fear of cancellation.