AbbasLaxity Forcing PIA to Ground Half of its A310 Planes
By: Amraiz Khan
October 20, 2012
LAHORE – Because of poor planning of former PIA managing director, the loss-stricken national flag carrier will have to ground half of its fleet of A310 aircraft during the next year, adding to the miseries of passengers, well-placed sources revealed to The Nation on Thursday.
Sources said that the PIA was operating 12 A310 aircraft, of which two were currently grounded and their four engines were lying unserviceable for the past ten months. Technical sources claimed that six more engines of three aircraft were due to be overhauled in the next six months. The overhauling of engines would cost about Rs600 million per engine and if PIA wanted to keep its total fleet of A310 operational, it would have to get its ten engines service which would cost Rs6 billion. Sources disclosed that what to say of making engines serviceable, PIA has no cash to purchase spare parts of its other engines which costs far less amount.
Recently, Capt. Junaid Younis rejected such summary on the ground of non-availability of funds. A senior officer of PIA said that twelve Airbus A310 Aircraft constitute major volume of PIA fleet of 39. There are two different models being operated by national flag carrier. Amongst twelve aircrafts, six are powered by General Electric CF6-80C2 engines and the other six by Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines. The airline has in-house overhaul facility for CF6-80C2 engines while PW4000 were sent to an Eagle Services Asia, Singapore under an agreement called Fleet Management Programme (FMP). PIA was operating PW4000 powered A310 aircraft under lease agreement with Airbus Leasing since 2003.
PIA management, headed by the then PIA MD Capt Nadeem Yousafzai, decided to acquire these six aircraft earlier in 2011 instead of lease maturity year 2015. The surprising reconciliation revealed that PIA management failed to claim around $35 million owed by Airbus Leasing and approved the clause in the reconciliation agreement to adjust this amount in some future deals of Airbus aircraft. It is worth mentioning here that this claimable amount was paid by PIA as maintenance reserves over the period of eight years from 2003 to 2011 with a purpose to be used for maintenance of these aircraft. Now millions of dollars being agreed to be paid for the potential purchase of aircraft is pending with Airbus Leasing. On the other side, after acquiring these aircraft the Fleet Management Programme (FMP) agreement has also come to a hasty end without keeping in mind the drastic repercussions for future operations of aircraft. Currently, one of these aircraft bearing registration AP-BGN is grounded almost for the last ten months due to non-availability of engines. PIA is now facing the music of acquiring aircraft in haste and facing acute shortage of funds to get these units back as serviceable. The temporary improvement was evident during a short stay of Rao Qamar Suleman who somehow managed to take bold decisions and reappropriation of payment schedule to different vendors involved in maintenance of PIA engines. Sensible utilisation of funds also improved the provisioning of engineering spares a bit. Unfortunately this improvement proved very short and there is a breakdown again in the supply of engineering spares, sources close to development said. PIA is running its operation without having regular Chairman, Managing Director, Chief Financial Officer, Director HR and Chief Internal Auditor, a senior officer of airlines said. When contacted PIA MD Capt Junaid Younis, his spokesman Kamran said that acquiring planes before lease maturity time was option in lease agreement. He said that two grounded A310 were on routine checking and not grounded for last ten months.
Source: The Nation
PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
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PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
Interesting news report about PIA Airbus A310-300 fleet.
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In recent days following nine PIA Airbus A310-300 have been seen operating airline's flights on flightradar24.com.
* AP-BDZ - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bdz
* AP-BEB - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beb
* AP-BEC - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bec
* AP-BEG - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beg
* AP-BEU - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beu
* AP-BGO - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgo
* AP-BGQ - Airbus A310-325ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgq
* AP-BGR - Airbus A310-325ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgr
* AP-BGS - Airbus A310-325ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
* http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgs
Following three PIA A310s not seen on flightradar24.com in recent times.
* AP-BEQ - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
* AP-BGN - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
* AP-BGP - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
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* AP-BDZ - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bdz
* AP-BEB - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beb
* AP-BEC - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bec
* AP-BEG - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beg
* AP-BEU - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beu
* AP-BGO - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgo
* AP-BGQ - Airbus A310-325ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgq
* AP-BGR - Airbus A310-325ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgr
* AP-BGS - Airbus A310-325ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
* http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgs
Following three PIA A310s not seen on flightradar24.com in recent times.
* AP-BEQ - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
* AP-BGN - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
* AP-BGP - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
Following news report confirms AP-BEQ as one of the grounded A310s.
AbbasPIA decides not to claim $15m from Airbus
Moayyed Jafri
Sunday, October 21, 2012
LAHORE: The decision of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) not to claim its $15 million, paid to the Airbus - an aircraft manufacturing company, is really perplexing as its depleting fleet has reached a critical point because of dearth of funds, said sources in the national flag carrier on Saturday.
The PIA fleet is currently short of 12 engines in addition to the spare, required to run the national flag carrier on its full strength. In reply to a request for provision of the engines and parts, the GM Purchase Technical & Logistics refused any help, saying that all such procurement had been cancelled due to lack of funds, said the sources.
Airbus A310 Aircraft constitutes major volume of the PIA fleet of 39 aircraft. Among 12 aircraft, there are two different models being operated by the national flag carrier; six are powered by General Electric CF6-80C2 engines and the other six, formerly leased, by Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines.
The $15 million was paid by the PIA as maintenance reserves over a period of eight years from 2003 to 2011 for the maintenance of six leased aircraft. However, because of a controversial decision, taken by the former managing director Nadeem Yousafzai, the lease was terminated in 2011, instead of lease maturity year 2015.
Experts said the PIA is on the receiving end as the aircraft would have been less than almost a quarter of their worth by the end of the scheduled lease as compared to the amount paid for them in 2011.
The airline has in-house overhaul facility for CF6-80C2 engines, while PW4000 were sent to the Eagle Services Asia, Singapore, under an agreement called Fleet Management Programme (FMP), said the sources.
The reconciliation deal revealed that the PIA management has agreed not to claim $15 million from the Airbus and adjust it in some future deal with the company.
Currently, one of the formerly leased A310 aircraft bearing registration AP-BGN is grounded almost for the last 10 months due to unavailability of engines. Four unserviceable engines are awaiting a decision about their fate for almost 10 months, as each one needs at least $6 million to become functional. Six more removals are expected in the middle of the next year, which will only lead to grounding of almost all A310 PW4000 powered fleet or will need an injection of $6 million each, said the sources.
A short-term improvement was seen during Rao Qamar Suleman period, who somehow managed to take bold decisions and re-appropriation of payment schedule to different vendors responsible for the maintenance of the PIA engines, they said.
The CF6-80C2 engines, which are being overhaul by the PIA Engineering on its own since 2007 is also facing an acute shortage of spares. It aftermath is very clear: the remaining fleet of A310 GE CF6-80C2 engine powered fleet will be on ground, joining an already grounded aircraft having registration No AP-BEQ.
Currently, the PIA is running without a chairman, a managing director, a chief financial officer, a director HR and a chief internal auditor, said the sources.
PIA General Manager Public Relations Sultan Hassan, when contacted, admitted that if a lessee acquires an aircraft, the amount available under maintenance reserves is returned to the lessee.
In this case, he said, the PIA is contractually obliged to continue the payment of rent and reserves till 2016, after which the aircraft would have been transferred to PIA along with the then available balance of maintenance reserves. The PIA management, after obtaining the approval of its board of directors, negotiated with the Airbus Leasing for early acquisition of the aircraft, he added.
Hassan said that as part of the deal, which was approved by its board, the PIA managed to purchase six aircraft and, after price adjustment of the aircraft, as well as other dues payable to Airbus, $15.1 million remained available with the Airbus. He said since Airbus had agreed on premature termination of the lease, they issued a credit note to PIA against which the national flag carrier could purchase / lease Airbus family products in the future. Until such time, that amount would continue to accrue interest for PIA, he added.
Source: The News
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
According to Express News channel, five engines that power PIA Airbus A310-300 aircraft have been overhauled/repaired by a company. But PIA has not been able to receive these engines because the airline is unable to pay engines' repair/overhaul charges.
According to the news channel, amount due to be paid is 15 million dollars.
Three PIA Airbus A310-300 aircraft are grounded due to unavailability of engines, according to the news channel.
Information about engines make/model and company that overhauled/repaired them not given.
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According to the news channel, amount due to be paid is 15 million dollars.
Three PIA Airbus A310-300 aircraft are grounded due to unavailability of engines, according to the news channel.
Information about engines make/model and company that overhauled/repaired them not given.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
We continue to keep this corrupt government to exist after seeing what they have done to every state owned organization.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
In a recent tender notice on official PIA website found information about total number of engines including spare engines for various aircraft in airline's fleet.
According to the information:
* For six Airbus A310-300 aircraft that are powered with General Electric CF6 engines there are 16 engines including 4 spare engines.
* For six Airbus A310-300 aircraft that are powered with Pratt & Whitney PW4000 family engines there are 14 engines including 2 spare engines.
Source: piac.com.pk
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According to the information:
* For six Airbus A310-300 aircraft that are powered with General Electric CF6 engines there are 16 engines including 4 spare engines.
* For six Airbus A310-300 aircraft that are powered with Pratt & Whitney PW4000 family engines there are 14 engines including 2 spare engines.
Source: piac.com.pk
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
If I read this right, B777-340ER have no spare engine.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
Apparently PIA Airbus A310-308 (AP-BEQ) is undergoing heavy maintenance checks at Karachi Airport and that's why it has not appeared on flightradar24.com in recent times.
AP-BEQ is seen without her two General Electric CF6 engines in this photo taken at Karachi Airport in December 2012. The A310 has received new coat of paint, according to photographer Sam Chui.
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Btw, AP-BEB has not been observed on flightradar24.com since November 18 when that A310 experienced engine problem after takeoff from Karachi. Probably it's grounded due to shortage of engines?
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AP-BEQ is seen without her two General Electric CF6 engines in this photo taken at Karachi Airport in December 2012. The A310 has received new coat of paint, according to photographer Sam Chui.
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Btw, AP-BEB has not been observed on flightradar24.com since November 18 when that A310 experienced engine problem after takeoff from Karachi. Probably it's grounded due to shortage of engines?
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
Are these the only two that have been grounded? I think there are more since I've heard upwards of 5 are on the ground for maintenance
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Following five PIA A310s not seen on flightradar24.com in recent weeks.
AP-BEB - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
AP-BEG - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
AP-BEQ - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
AP-BGN - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
AP-BGP - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
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AP-BEB - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
AP-BEG - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
AP-BEQ - Airbus A310-308 powered with General Electric engines.
AP-BGN - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
AP-BGP - Airbus A310-324ET powered with Pratt & Whitney engines.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
255 A310-200/300s were built since 1983, 129 still in service.
Fedex operating 32 in freighter version.
German Airforce has 6.
Canadian Airforce has 5
French Airforce has 3.
Spanish Airforce has 2.
Thai Airforce has 1.
Government of Pakistan 1
Turkish cargo airlines 2
Qatari Emiri Flight 1
76 are in service as passenger aircraft out of which 12 are with PIA.
Other then PIA.
Biman, Kuwait Airways, Mahan Air (Iran), Yemenia, Air Transat (Canada), Uzbekistan Airways, Tarom (Romania) are some of the major airlines that operate the remaining handfull A310-300s.
I think PIA should try to sell these A310s to a cargo carrier like Fedex, and in return try to get some A320s for medium and short haul routes, and some A330-200s for long haul European routes.
Fedex operating 32 in freighter version.
German Airforce has 6.
Canadian Airforce has 5
French Airforce has 3.
Spanish Airforce has 2.
Thai Airforce has 1.
Government of Pakistan 1
Turkish cargo airlines 2
Qatari Emiri Flight 1
76 are in service as passenger aircraft out of which 12 are with PIA.
Other then PIA.
Biman, Kuwait Airways, Mahan Air (Iran), Yemenia, Air Transat (Canada), Uzbekistan Airways, Tarom (Romania) are some of the major airlines that operate the remaining handfull A310-300s.
I think PIA should try to sell these A310s to a cargo carrier like Fedex, and in return try to get some A320s for medium and short haul routes, and some A330-200s for long haul European routes.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
The 77W uses the same engine as the 77L, therefore there is a pool of two spare engines.Adnan Anwar wrote:If I read this right, B777-340ER have no spare engine.
What the spare engine table does not tell us is how many of those engines are airworthy and which, if any, are awaiting LLP replacement/overhaul.
Fedex is in the process of replacing the A310F and MD-10F with the 767F and will not be undertaking anymore A300/310 conversions. The next stop for PIA A310s is the scrap heap.Amaad Lone wrote:I think PIA should try to sell these A310s to a cargo carrier like Fedex, and in return try to get some A320s for medium and short haul routes, and some A330-200s for long haul European routes.
As regards to the A310 fleet, PIA management only has two options. Either they put the money in and get them up to a good standard or they park them and lease additional A320s. The latter option would of course result in dropping loss making but prestige routes like Beijing and Tokyo and perhaps a few in Europe too. Additionally, there would probably be further outcry from the PIA unions and many other quarters considering PIA recently terminated the lease from Airbus and bought the aircraft outright.
As for the A330, it's probably too late for PK. The A330-200 variant would not be needed as it has excess range capabilities. The A330-300 on the other hand, would have been a perfect, and arguably much better fit than the 777.
The 230T MTOW A330-300 version available when PIA ordered the 777 would have been able to cover the whole of PIA's EU and Asia network at max structural payload. The current 777-200/300 are effectively carrying a lot of deadweight for the multiple EU and Mid-East sectors they're currently used on as their long range is not needed. That means they're having to pay for an additional 40-100 tons for ATC services which are most often calculated on an aircraft's MTOW. The only routes which require the payload-range offered by the 777 are USA and Canada.
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
How many 737 and 743 in service currently.
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AP-BEQ without engines photographed by Sam Chui at Karachi Airport in December 2012.
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AP-BEQ has returned to service and has been observed operating flights in recent days on FlightRadar24.com.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beq
Following six PIA A310s have been seen active in recent days.
AP-BDZ
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bdz
AP-BEC
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bec
AP-BEG
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beg
AP-BEQ
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beq
AP-BGN
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgn
AP-BGO
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgo
Following six PIA A310s not seen active in recent days.
AP-BEB
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beb
AP-BEU
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beu
AP-BGP
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgp
AP-BGQ
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgq
AP-BGR
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgr
AP-BGS
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgs
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Click here to see large photo.
AP-BEQ has returned to service and has been observed operating flights in recent days on FlightRadar24.com.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beq
Following six PIA A310s have been seen active in recent days.
AP-BDZ
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bdz
AP-BEC
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bec
AP-BEG
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beg
AP-BEQ
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beq
AP-BGN
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgn
AP-BGO
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgo
Following six PIA A310s not seen active in recent days.
AP-BEB
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beb
AP-BEU
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-beu
AP-BGP
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgp
AP-BGQ
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgq
AP-BGR
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgr
AP-BGS
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ap-bgs
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Re: PIA Airbus A310-300 Fleet Status
AP-BEG was last seen operating flights on 09-04-2013.
The most active 310's are AP-BGN, AP-BGO, AP-BEQ, AP-BEC.
Any updates on status of AP-BGS, AP-BGR, AP-BGP, AP-BGQ?
The most active 310's are AP-BGN, AP-BGO, AP-BEQ, AP-BEC.
Any updates on status of AP-BGS, AP-BGR, AP-BGP, AP-BGQ?