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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:12 am 
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i think last time it was mentioned that pia only allowed 3 flights into canada.can anyone confirm.
concerning the new check on hold cargo- its a long standing 'give and take' politics between the 2 countries


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:30 pm 
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According to following news report, new checking/screening procedure at Manchester Airport imposed due to cargo items that were being sent on PIA flights to USA without having them listed/mentioned in load manifest.

The news report claims that USA's Transportation Security Administration (TSA) had warned PIA "to load only that luggage mentioned in load manifest. But the PIA management kept continued sending unaccompanied and un-manifested baggage owned by influential of the country." If true, then someone should be held responsible for not responding to TSA warning.

Seems VIP culture at airports in Pakistan will continue to create hurdles for smooth PIA flight operations to USA.

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US imposes new curbs on PIA

April 05, 2012

LAHORE -
Yet another security check imposed by the United States on PIA flights operating between the two countries will force the passengers to opt for an airline other than PIA, as the security check will increase the travel time from 16 to 25 hours, sources in PIA said on Wednesday. The security check will be conducted at the Manchester airport, where already the process was taking one and half hour, but the new restrictions are going to increase it to six and seven hours.As per details, the US Transportation Security Administration (TSA) says after April 22, all passengers and luggage on board PIA aircrafts will be subjected to another security check at the Manchester airport prior to arriving in the US.Currently, a briefing is being already exercised in Manchester, which takes one and half hour but the TSA will now check all the baggage and cargo of the flight.

Sources disclosed that the PIA management was sending unaccompanied baggage to the US without mentioning it in the load manifest.In this context, the TSA had warned the PIA to load only that luggage mentioned in load manifest. But the PIA management kept continued sending unaccompanied and un-manifested baggage owned by influential of the country.Sources in the CAA claimed that it was a clear violation of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) rules, adding that the said baggage was not added to the manifest list for two reasons: Some influential people do not want to disclose its identity and they do not pay for it.A PIA official, while seeking anonymity, said there were two types of manifest with an international flight - passenger load and cargo load. The former is meant for the number of passengers while later convers the cargo. The PIA flies to New York via Manchester three times a week. The new restrictions will not only create problems for the passengers but also raise costs for the national flag carrier.

According to the PIA officials, the curbs may completely throw the airline flight schedule to the US in disarray. Observers believe that the new restrictions might be because of Pakistan’s decision to close the Nato supply route.PIA Spokesman Syed Sultan Hassan, while talking to this scribe, said, “We are in negotiations with TSA as we have already sought one-month time from administration on the issue.” He refuted the impression that restriction was in reaction to the Nato supplies closure, saying, “The US is super power and just using her discretionary powers.”He said the decision, which was scheduled to be implemented on April 22, would not only disturbed PIA’s passengers but also increase the operational cost, adding that the PIA would lose the market share, as passengers would opt to other airlines.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:45 pm 
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Best Option is Shannon in these Circumstances!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:32 pm 
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If the reason given is un-manifested cargo then whether it is Shannon or Paris the requirements of having the entire hold baggage checked would have to be complied with.
Shannon may perhaps take an hour less and Paris an hour more to do this exercise. That's the only difference but one advantage in Shannon is that the US immigration clearance can be done during the wait period.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:54 pm 
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kamalla wrote:
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PIA SHOULD quit the US and fly daily Toronto 777LR nonstop and interline with a US carrier to NEW YORK, Chicago,Boston San franciso


That might be difficult considering PIA only have 2 777LRs in their fleet, which are currently also used on routes other then YYZ.


Plus PIA 777LR are max. utilized as well. Which will reaching heavy C-check and D-Check in some time in future soon.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:56 pm 
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US security team arrives in Pakistan to review PIA's operations....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:05 pm 
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According to Geo News, a 4-member team of USA's Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has arrived in Karachi.

During their visit, the US team members will inspect PIA flights' cargo and baggage screening process at airports of Karachi and Lahore from where PIA flights to New York via Manchester are operated.

If US authorities are not satisfied with arrangements at airports in Pakistan then from April 23 PIA flights to New York via Europe will have to undergo checking/scanning process at European airports like Manchester Airport.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:32 am 
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of course the US will not be satisfied..i think the long term solution is to have US flights depart only from the new airport in ISB..which will be opening in about a year..the US can have security for their flights like they do from Europe where extra security is already done.at the gate..

the US should be asked to give all the latest machines which cost millions anyway and securtiy training as well.... i think this will be suffiencient for them even they can hire some pakistani-american TSA officers who will be based at the new airport


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:22 pm 
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It would be interesting to learn how many other National airlines such as PIA are restricted from operating direct flights to the USA and have to land in a third country for security before being allowed rights to proceed to the USA.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:48 pm 
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The US team arrived at Lahore Airport today, according to Express News channel.

The team will also visit airports of Karachi and Islamabad during its one week stay in Pakistan.

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Seeing as its common knowledge that airport security staff at Pakistani airports take bribes from passengers in return for not checking their baggage, is it really that surprising that the Americans insist on a proper check??? Sort out the problem at home first.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:27 pm 
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Have they started extra checking of US-bound PIA flights at Manchester Airport?

Or has PIA managed to satisfy US authorities to prevent longer duration extra checking of flights at Manchester Airport?

Seems PIA has managed to convince US authorities otherwise media would have reported implementation of lengthy checking process at Manchester Airport.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:54 pm 
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Abbas Ali wrote:
Have they started extra checking of US-bound PIA flights at Manchester Airport?

Or has PIA managed to satisfy US authorities to prevent longer duration extra checking of flights at Manchester Airport?

Seems PIA has managed to convince US authorities otherwise media would have reported implementation of lengthy checking process at Manchester Airport.

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I work on the ramp at Manchester and we ground handle PIA. At this moment in time, the turnaround for the JFK flight is still the same as it has been.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:59 am 
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^ Thank you for the info.

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