Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by Abbas Ali » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:40 am

Location of aircraft's tail section among wreckage has been identified, black box of the aircraft will be recovered from there by experts, according to Pakistani news channels' reports.

The ill-fated aircraft was most likely Ilyushsin Il-76TD registered in Georgia as 4L-MGC and operated by Sun Way.

Here's October 29, 2010, photo of Il-76TD (registration 4L-MGC).
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According to latest reports, unfortunately all aboard the aircraft have died in the accident. A number of bodies of Pakistani construction workers also have been recovered from crash site. The aircraft had struck underconstruction buildings where most probably the construction workers were taking rest/sleeping and sadly they also became victims of this accident.

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by inducedrag » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:05 pm

Abbas Ali wrote:* Aircraft's flight originated from Fujairah, United Arab Emirates, landed at Karachi Airport got refueled for flight to Khartoum, Sudan.

* Was carrying relief supplies/goods to Sudan from Fujairah.

* Aircraft was operated/owned by Sunway Airlines ?


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A very strange routing coming all the way to Karachi then to Sudan , If had flown directly towards Khartoum the flight time would have been at least 0200 less

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by TAILWIND » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:09 pm

A very strange routing coming all the way to Karachi then to Sudan , If had flown directly towards Khartoum the flight time would have been at least 0200 less
One possible reason for this strange routing might be a Saudi restrcition for aircraft with 'in-flight deployable' ramps from 'certain' countries to overfly saudi airspace. Back in 2004, on a flight from west africa in an IL-76 we had to adopt a similar long diversion avoiding saudi airspace as they did not clear the IL-76 to overfly.
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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by Abbas Ali » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:27 pm

Latest reports say that aircraft had arrived at Karachi with a load of tents destined for Sudan and after getting refueled at Karachi the aircraft took-off for flight to Khartoum, Sudan.

Black box not recovered so far.

In following video clip, Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) spokesman Pervez George can be heard in news bulletin that was aired by ARY News channel at 12:00PM (November 28).

The summary of CAA spokesman statement:

* Aircraft took-off from Karachi Airport at 1:45AM local time (November 28).
* Karachi ATC noticed smoke/fire emitted by the aircraft.
* No communication about problem experienced the aircraft took place between flight crew and ATC.
* Aircraft crashed with one minute after take-off from Karachi Airport.

ARY News 12:00PM news bulletin.



According to news reports, the crash site is within premises of Naval Housing Scheme. This makes crash site roughly at location shown in following satellite image. Most likely the ill-fated Il-76 took-off from Runway 25L of Karachi Airport.

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by pk363 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:26 pm

At least 11 dead as cargo plane crashes in Karachi
Updated at: 1059 PST, Sunday, November 28, 2010

KARACHI: At least eleven people were killed when a Russian-made cargo plane crashed in a fireball seconds after taking off from Karachi on Sunday, Geo News reported Sunday.

The death toll was expected to rise, with an unknown number of labourers feared killed when the Ilyushin IL-76, bound for the Sudanese capital Khartoum, slammed into buildings in the city.

"All eight people on board have died, we fear that some labourers on the ground have also been killed," CAA spokesman said. "We do not know the exact number of those killed on ground," he added.

Bodies of three labourers working on the construction site have also been recovered from the debris taking the toll to eleven, rescue authorities said.

Authorities said they had brought the fire under control but rescue workers were still searching for bodies.

"Recovered bodies are badly mutilated and beyond recognition," he said.

The plane slammed into buildings under construction in the Dalmia neighbourhood.

"Rescue workers are still searching whether there are any other bodies or injured people in the debris," a police official said.

It was the third plane accident in four months in Pakistan, a country of 170 million people where inter-city travel is most efficient by air, and the second aircraft to crash after take off from Karachi in just four weeks.

The CAA spokesman said that the jet took off from Karachi at 1:45 am (20:45 GMT Saturday) and crashed just one and a half minutes later.

Witnesses spoke of their horror at seeing a fireball racing through the night sky.

"I saw a fireball plummeting to ground," a milk seller said. He had been going home on his motorbike after closing his shop.

"It was so huge and quick. I was terrified."

"I couldn't see what it was. I sped up to save my life and after a few seconds I heard a deafening explosion, but thanks to Allah my life was saved and I was not injured."

The crash sparked fires in four or five construction sites, but officials said the number of casualties would have been far higher if the plane had struck nearby residential buildings.

Residents in nearby buildings spent the night with relatives, he added.

The US-manufactured Beech 1900C aircraft operated by local company was carrying staff from an Italian oil company to an oil field in the southern province of Sindh.

On July 28, an Airbus 321 passenger jet operated by Airblue crashed into hills near Islamabad while coming in to land after a flight from Karachi, killing 152 people on board.

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by Abdullah Saleem » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:57 pm

Is there anything wrong with Karachi Airport ground staff? 3 crashes after taking off from Karachi Airport in just 5 months....
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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by paksarzamen » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:19 pm

Abdullah Saleem wrote:Is there anything wrong with Karachi Airport ground staff? 3 crashes after taking off from Karachi Airport in just 5 months....
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Post by Abbas Ali » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:32 pm

Abdullah Saleem wrote:Is there anything wrong with Karachi Airport ground staff? 3 crashes after taking off from Karachi Airport in just 5 months....
Although all three aircraft - AirBlue A320, JS Air Beech 1900C and Sun Way Ilyushin Il-76 - involved in fatal accidents in Pakistan in year 2010 had taken-off from Karachi Airport but in all these three accidents ground staff at Karachi Airport cannot be held responsible.

1) In AirBlue accident, according to reports related to accident investigation process, technically nothing wrong has been found with AirBlue Airbus A321 which crashed into Margalla Hills, Islamabad. So ground staff at Karachi Airport which cleared AirBlue aircraft for flight to Islamabad cannot be blamed in anyway.

2) In case of JS Air Beech 1900C accident, according to reports the aircraft experienced problem with one of its engines. So in case of JS Air accident, the team of aircraft maintenance personnel which cleared JS Air's ill-fated aircraft for flight should be questioned by investigation team. Anyone found for criminal negligence should be punished.

3) In Sun Way Ilyushin Il-76 accident again it appears the aircraft experienced some serious problem with at least one of its four engines and in this case also the team of people which handled and checked this Il-76 and cleared it for flight from Karachi should be investigated by investigation team. Investigators will also need to check load carried by ill-fated Il-76 and make sure it was not over loaded.

In case of JS Air Beech 1900C and Sun Way Ilyushin Il-76 accidents, Pakistan CAA will also come under scrutiny of media and aviation experts who will investigate what methods are applied and followed by CAA to check whether aircraft operating from Karachi or any other airport of Pakistan are properly checked or not before giving them clearance for flight.

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by riz » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:53 pm

Abdullah Saleem wrote:Is there anything wrong with Karachi Airport ground staff? 3 crashes after taking off from Karachi Airport in just 5 months....

=D> how "much" do you know about aviation ?
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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by Abdullah Saleem » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:34 pm

riz wrote:
Abdullah Saleem wrote:Is there anything wrong with Karachi Airport ground staff? 3 crashes after taking off from Karachi Airport in just 5 months....

=D> how "much" do you know about aviation ?
Not so much about aircraft handling at airport, but I'm interested in Aviation.

I don't know about Aircraft maintenance procedure at Airport, that's why I was asking.
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Abdullah Saleem wrote:Is there anything wrong with Karachi Airport ground staff? 3 crashes after taking off from Karachi Airport in just 5 months....
Although all three aircraft - AirBlue A320, JS Air Beech 1900C and Sun Way Ilyushin Il-76 - involved in fatal accidents in Pakistan in year 2010 had taken-off from Karachi Airport but in all these three accidents ground staff at Karachi Airport cannot be held responsible.

1) In AirBlue accident, according to reports related to accident investigation process, technically nothing wrong has been found with AirBlue Airbus A321 which crashed into Margalla Hills, Islamabad. So ground staff at Karachi Airport which cleared AirBlue aircraft for flight to Islamabad cannot be blamed in anyway.

2) In case of JS Air Beech 1900C accident, according to reports the aircraft experienced problem with one of its engines. So in case of JS Air accident, the team of aircraft maintenance personnel which cleared JS Air's ill-fated aircraft for flight should be questioned by investigation team. Anyone found for criminal negligence should be punished.

3) In Sun Way Ilyushin Il-76 accident again it appears the aircraft experienced some serious problem with at least one of its four engines and in this case also the team of people which handled and checked this Il-76 and cleared it for flight from Karachi should be investigated by investigation team. Investigators will also need to check load carried by ill-fated Il-76 and make sure it was not over loaded.

In case of JS Air Beech 1900C and Sun Way Ilyushin Il-76 accidents, Pakistan CAA will also come under scrutiny of media and aviation experts who will investigate what methods are applied and followed by CAA to check whether aircraft operating from Karachi or any other airport of Pakistan are properly checked or not before giving them clearance for flight.

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Who actually clears aircraft before flying? If Airline companies have their own, then what about private aircrafts who usually don't operate at these routes. (as in case of IL-76; which was not on her usual flight)
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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by Abbas Ali » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:57 pm

Abdullah Saleem wrote: Who actually clears aircraft before flying? If Airline companies have their own, then what about private aircrafts who usually don't operate at these routes. (as in case of IL-76; which was not on her usual flight)
There are various ground handling companies at major airports and these companies can be hired and paid to serve/handle aircraft belonging to various companies.

It's not clear which company handled Sun Way Il-76 at Karachi and who checked and cleared this aircraft for departure to Khartoum.

Pakistani company Vision Air's name is mentioned by some channels for arranging shipment of material carried by the aircraft to Khartoum. Actually Vision Air could be the company which handled this Il-76 at Karachi Airport. This info needs to be confirmed/verified by reliable sources.

Usually operators carry their own certified/qualified engineer also on aircraft for maintenance/checks of the aircraft at various foreign airports.

Not very sure about the procedure of issuance of clearance for departure of a flight from an airport but I think information about clearance of an aircraft's flight by its cockpit crew/engineering team/ground handling company is forwarded to CAA representatives for checking and then I guess CAA after checking the aircraft or after checking its latest maintenance record documents instructs ATC to clear the aircraft for pushback, taxi and take-off.

Hope someone with better knowledge of the aircraft departure procedure can explain it in better and accurate way for readers.

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

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Please see below!
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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by msarmadk » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:53 pm

Saw the flames rise in street no # 2, of Navy Housing Scheme! That's where I live. Only 11 bodies recovered, 8 crew and 3 of the laborers. I didn't take any pictures but it was as if the plane just stalled and hit the ground vertically because it didn't move far from the position of impact. I live in street # 13.

And thank God that Majeed Sre (another part of Naval colony) was safe because that was the most densely populated area around here. It just missed those SRE flats by inches or maybe millimeters, who knows!

These buildings are the one I am talking about
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This part was burning heavily
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Those houses at the back are the ones where I live, this part was under construction;
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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by AM » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:11 pm

Abbas and all fellow members let me summarize the maintenance procedures adopted by all commercial aircraft operators which by and large are the same with slight variations.They have to follow the procedures defined by the regulatory authority from which the aircraft has been registered ,the regulatory authority of the country they are transiting as well as the countries on which they shall overfly .

Each aircraft has a very well defined (to each hour/cycle/landings) maintenance schedule given by the manufacturer which is approved by the regulatory authority of the country of manufacture (like in case of Boeing ,FAA approval) and then also approved by the regulatory authority of the country on which the aircaft shall be registered .There is no exception on following this maintenance schedule and it has to be followed else a special waiver has to be taken which is hard to get and very expensive.This schedule defines what checks /inspections shall be carried out at what intervals and it includes system checks,hard time component replacements. This goes for transit checks ,after that there are 24 hr checks,weekly checks ,and C and D checks which require grounding for several days.Its an intricate system which has to work like a clockwork and monitored by CAA.

The certificate of airworthiness technically becomes void as soon as any commercial aircraft lands anywhere and it has to be re validated by issuing a certificate of release to service .This is done by approved ,qualified and licensed aircraft engineer after carrying out the valid checks of airframe/avionics /engine systems .It cannot be given by flying crew or any other personnel except a person who has a type maintenance rating license on that aircraft..This certificate is issued on the technical log book and a copy of this certificate is submitted at ground handling as obviously the log book remains on board.The certificate remains valid only for the flight for which it was issued and has to be re validated again after next landing.So either the engineers have to fly with the aircraft or they have to be present at the destination otherwise the aircraft remains legally grounded.

In PIA the log book entry of certificate of release to service as well as any rectification of flight reported defects as well as the name and authority number of the engineer is immediately submitted to the record section 24/7 which enters it into the database system which is accessible on real time basis to CAA .

In the case of this unfortunate accident ,in all probability the engineers were on board as well as the log book ,however the copy of all the work,checks and maintenance carried out at karachi as well as certificate of release to service must have been submitted to the handling agent by the engineers along with the fuel uplift and the copy of trim sheet.This is where the CAA must be looking right now.Furthermore every operator is bound to keep a record of all maintenance on the aircraft since its manufacture including modifications,structure repairs ,engine changes and CAA shall also get them from the owners.

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Re: Ilyushin Il-76 Freighter Crashes in Karachi

Post by Abbas Ali » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:28 pm

Thank you AM for sharing very useful info, really appreciate it very much.

Bunch of rods seen in following photo were part of load of tents carried by the aircraft. A number of packed dark green tents were also seen scattered at crash site in video footage aired by news channels today.
msarmadk wrote: This part was burning heavily
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