On domestic flights 0045 min before Dep. on International flights 01:00 before dep duty off 15 min after Arr. on domestic and 0030 min on International flightsMoin wrote:When exactly does 'duty time' start? From the moment they reach the dispatch office or when they step into the flight deck?
PIA Flights Schedule Affected by Pilots on 'go-slow' Protest
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PALPA Go-Slow Has Caused Loss of RS. 1 Billion to the National Flag Carrier
Lahore, 01 August 2010: The illegal Go-Slow of PALPA entered the 9th day as 13 Captains and First Officers refused to operate scheduled flights causing an estimated loss of over Rs. 1 billion to the National Flag Carrier. PIA spokesman said here on Sunday.
PK-308 Karachi-Islamabad was operated by Managing Director PIA, Captain Muhammad Aijaz Haroon while 10 other flights were operated by management pilots.
The illegal Go-Slow and refusal of PALPA Pilots to operate fights disturbed 15 flights. 05 Domestic and International flights had to be cancelled due to non availability of Pilots.
PIA Spokesman said that the management during the last two weeks has repeatedly requested PALPA for a dialogue which they refused on the pretext that the Go-Slow has now gained momentum and their talks with the management would break the tempo of Go-Slow.
Total of 62 flights were delayed and 11 flights were canceled during these nine days. So far, the airline has suffered an estimated loss of over Rs. 1 Billion due to the cancellation of a dozen Local and International flights. While the passengers suffered badly due to these delays and cancellations. PIA Spokesman concluded.
Source: PIA Press Release
Lahore, 01 August 2010: The illegal Go-Slow of PALPA entered the 9th day as 13 Captains and First Officers refused to operate scheduled flights causing an estimated loss of over Rs. 1 billion to the National Flag Carrier. PIA spokesman said here on Sunday.
PK-308 Karachi-Islamabad was operated by Managing Director PIA, Captain Muhammad Aijaz Haroon while 10 other flights were operated by management pilots.
The illegal Go-Slow and refusal of PALPA Pilots to operate fights disturbed 15 flights. 05 Domestic and International flights had to be cancelled due to non availability of Pilots.
PIA Spokesman said that the management during the last two weeks has repeatedly requested PALPA for a dialogue which they refused on the pretext that the Go-Slow has now gained momentum and their talks with the management would break the tempo of Go-Slow.
Total of 62 flights were delayed and 11 flights were canceled during these nine days. So far, the airline has suffered an estimated loss of over Rs. 1 Billion due to the cancellation of a dozen Local and International flights. While the passengers suffered badly due to these delays and cancellations. PIA Spokesman concluded.
Source: PIA Press Release
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PK785 has already been cancelled and PK787 is delayed. Over 300 passengers are now stranded at LHR and will have to be put into hotels at the airlines expense. Very shameful. If that airline goes under, they'll be the first ones out of a job and crying. If it was their money on the line, they'd think twice about doing this.
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What exactly is wrong with PALPA members? They have one of the best (and probably dream) jobs some can have in Pakistan. And they should be thankful. Their attitude is quite pathetic to say the least.
I agree with a few of their issues e.g., Captains should be in control of aircraft (and crew) and staff members should listen to them while on duty. Yeah the incident of a jiyala type hitting a cabin member is just un-acceptable and should be removed from service ASAP regardless. But always insisting on a Business Seat is quite chlidlish. Here in the US, CEOs of many major airlines often fly economy (as well as their cabin crew) if business class is not available. Its not their right to fly business class. In Pakistan, brains seem to function in the reverse order....
Some of the benefits PALPA members seem to get (e.g., long rest between flights) is some thing many American pilots can dream off. During my student days, I some times worked at hotel front desks and often checked-in crew members from all major US airlines. I do not remember most of them staying at the hotel more than even 10 hours and often much less between flights.
PALPA should try to help PIA during its worst phase so PIA can sustain and recover. If PIA goes down, most of the PALPA members will be flying paper aircrafts ......
I agree with a few of their issues e.g., Captains should be in control of aircraft (and crew) and staff members should listen to them while on duty. Yeah the incident of a jiyala type hitting a cabin member is just un-acceptable and should be removed from service ASAP regardless. But always insisting on a Business Seat is quite chlidlish. Here in the US, CEOs of many major airlines often fly economy (as well as their cabin crew) if business class is not available. Its not their right to fly business class. In Pakistan, brains seem to function in the reverse order....
Some of the benefits PALPA members seem to get (e.g., long rest between flights) is some thing many American pilots can dream off. During my student days, I some times worked at hotel front desks and often checked-in crew members from all major US airlines. I do not remember most of them staying at the hotel more than even 10 hours and often much less between flights.
PALPA should try to help PIA during its worst phase so PIA can sustain and recover. If PIA goes down, most of the PALPA members will be flying paper aircrafts ......
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Some of the benefits PALPA members seem to get (e.g., long rest between flights) is some thing many American pilots can dream off. During my student days, I some times worked at hotel front desks and often checked-in crew members from all major US airlines. I do not remember most of them staying at the hotel more than even 10 hours and often much less between flights.
ITs the airline requirement not a paid holiday. More ever we cannot take our family with us as family tickets are subject to load that is why we want 10 off days at base after necessary rest.
Some of the benefits PALPA members seem to get (e.g., long rest between flights) is some thing many American pilots can dream off. During my student days, I some times worked at hotel front desks and often checked-in crew members from all major US airlines. I do not remember most of them staying at the hotel more than even 10 hours and often much less between flights.
ITs the airline requirement not a paid holiday. More ever we cannot take our family with us as family tickets are subject to load that is why we want 10 off days at base after necessary rest.
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Most of the crew of US airlines that fly into Europe and those European airlines that fly to the US only get one night as a layover and they fly back the next day. These people get 2 to 3 days rest in each city. I'm sure the same applies with airlines like EK, QR, EY, GF etc. They arrive on the given day and go back the next. These people are incapable of realizing how good they have it. Alot of it has to do with Ego.
Tomorrow PIA is sending a 747-300 here to LHR as well as the day after to make up for the backlog of todays cancelled flight. Tomorrows flight will overnight and leave the day after. I might go and take some pics.
Tomorrow PIA is sending a 747-300 here to LHR as well as the day after to make up for the backlog of todays cancelled flight. Tomorrows flight will overnight and leave the day after. I might go and take some pics.
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According to ARY all international flights from Lahore were cancelled today.Is this true??
Will it be first PK 747 to LHR since EU ban??
Will it be first PK 747 to LHR since EU ban??
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Possible, which is why I may go out to LHR tomorrow to catch it.
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This is absolutely ridiculous and unprofessional. Very ungrateful to say the least.
(I thought the BA strikes were bad! pfftt ..! )
(I thought the BA strikes were bad! pfftt ..! )
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Mukhtar calls PIA bosses, pilots for talks
Monday, August 02, 2010
By Shakil Shaikh
ISLAMABAD: Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar has convened a meeting of PIA top bosses and PALPA for talks on Monday on flight safety and delay in flights.
MD PIA Captain Ijaz Haroon, Shuja Naqvi (director flight operations), President PALPA Suhail Baluch and Secretary PALPA TM Rabbani and some officials of the defence ministry will attend this important meeting.
In recent days, several flights were delayed because of tiffs between the PIA management and PALPA with many top officials raising the question of flight safety following the Airbus crash over Margalla Hills.
Ahmed Mukhtar sent his special representative, joint secretary (aviation) Arshad Farooq, to Karachi who held marathon talks with PIA management and the PAPLA office bearers with no positive outcome.
PALPA wanted implementation and enforcement of its “working agreement†with the PIA management and it apprised the defence minister’s special representative of failure of the PIA management to implement the agreement.
Farooq dashed back to Islamabad on Sunday to report the matter to the defence minister, who has convened a special meeting to resolve the problem with main focus on Air Navigation Order (ANO)-IV released by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).
Following the Margalla crash, people were hoping that the PIA would adopt strict measures for flight safety but things have gone from bad to worse as several pilots have been forced to fly after ignoring their mandatory weekly and daily rest time.
Captain Juniad Younis took the flight from Karachi to Islamabad and London on Saturday in violation of ANO-IV and he was given a waiver to ignore his weekly 35-hour rest time. Similarly, First Officer Sajjad Gul took the flight from Lahore to London on Saturday after bursting out his daily 10-12 hours rest time, as CAA gave him a special waiver for the London-bound flight. On Sunday, several flights, domestic as well as international, got delayed by several hours because of unprofessional attitude of PIA’s marketing department.
Source: The News
PIA passengers protest after cancellation of flights
By Mohammad Asghar
RAWALPINDI: Hundreds of PIA passengers seeking to travel to London, Saudi Arabia and Dubai staged protests after their flights were cancelled because of what the airline said a ‘go-slow’ by Pakistan Air Line Pilots’ Association (Palpa).
Passengers of PIA flights PK-785 (for London), PK-212 (for Dubai) and PK-741 (for Saudi Arabia) protested on Sunday first on the airport premises and later on the main road following the cancellation of their flights after captains and first officers refused to operate the flights after several hours of delay.
Witnesses said that passengers of PK-741 staged a protest outside the airport, saying the cancellation of their flight would affect their jobs. They shouted slogans against the airline.A senior police official quoted the passengers as saying that their visas would expire after midnight.
Later, the traffic police arrived on the scene and convinced the protesting passengers to hold talks with authorities concerned to get their problem resolved.
The road was later cleared after the protesters called off their protest. The passengers were shifted to different hotels by the airline.
Meanwhile, a PIA spokesman said in a press release on Sunday that the “illegal go-slow†of Palpa had entered the ninth day as 13 captains and first officers refused to operate scheduled flights, causing an estimated loss of over Rs1 billion to the national flag carrier.
He said flight PK-308 (Karachi-Islamabad) was operated by PIA Managing Director Captain Muhammad Aijaz Haroon and Director Flight Operations Captain Shuja Naqvi while 10 other flights were operated by pilots of the management.
He said the “illegal go-slow†and refusal by Palpa pilots to operate fights affected 15 flights and five domestic and international flights had to be cancelled.
The spokesman claimed that the management, over the last two weeks, had repeatedly requested Palpa representatives to hold talks with them to resolve the issue, but they had refused.
Talking to Dawn on Sunday, Palpa President Captain Sohail Baloch said they had gone on a go-slow because the PIA management was not following the Working Agreement which was related to Palpa staff’s salaries, allowances and other perks.
Another demand of Palpa, he said, was that it wanted the Air Navigation Order to be revised, adding that under the order Palpa members had to perform 12-hour duties, giving them little time for rest.
He said the ministry of defence had called a meeting of Palpa representatives and PIA management on Monday.
Source: DAWN
Monday, August 02, 2010
By Shakil Shaikh
ISLAMABAD: Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar has convened a meeting of PIA top bosses and PALPA for talks on Monday on flight safety and delay in flights.
MD PIA Captain Ijaz Haroon, Shuja Naqvi (director flight operations), President PALPA Suhail Baluch and Secretary PALPA TM Rabbani and some officials of the defence ministry will attend this important meeting.
In recent days, several flights were delayed because of tiffs between the PIA management and PALPA with many top officials raising the question of flight safety following the Airbus crash over Margalla Hills.
Ahmed Mukhtar sent his special representative, joint secretary (aviation) Arshad Farooq, to Karachi who held marathon talks with PIA management and the PAPLA office bearers with no positive outcome.
PALPA wanted implementation and enforcement of its “working agreement†with the PIA management and it apprised the defence minister’s special representative of failure of the PIA management to implement the agreement.
Farooq dashed back to Islamabad on Sunday to report the matter to the defence minister, who has convened a special meeting to resolve the problem with main focus on Air Navigation Order (ANO)-IV released by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).
Following the Margalla crash, people were hoping that the PIA would adopt strict measures for flight safety but things have gone from bad to worse as several pilots have been forced to fly after ignoring their mandatory weekly and daily rest time.
Captain Juniad Younis took the flight from Karachi to Islamabad and London on Saturday in violation of ANO-IV and he was given a waiver to ignore his weekly 35-hour rest time. Similarly, First Officer Sajjad Gul took the flight from Lahore to London on Saturday after bursting out his daily 10-12 hours rest time, as CAA gave him a special waiver for the London-bound flight. On Sunday, several flights, domestic as well as international, got delayed by several hours because of unprofessional attitude of PIA’s marketing department.
Source: The News
PIA passengers protest after cancellation of flights
By Mohammad Asghar
RAWALPINDI: Hundreds of PIA passengers seeking to travel to London, Saudi Arabia and Dubai staged protests after their flights were cancelled because of what the airline said a ‘go-slow’ by Pakistan Air Line Pilots’ Association (Palpa).
Passengers of PIA flights PK-785 (for London), PK-212 (for Dubai) and PK-741 (for Saudi Arabia) protested on Sunday first on the airport premises and later on the main road following the cancellation of their flights after captains and first officers refused to operate the flights after several hours of delay.
Witnesses said that passengers of PK-741 staged a protest outside the airport, saying the cancellation of their flight would affect their jobs. They shouted slogans against the airline.A senior police official quoted the passengers as saying that their visas would expire after midnight.
Later, the traffic police arrived on the scene and convinced the protesting passengers to hold talks with authorities concerned to get their problem resolved.
The road was later cleared after the protesters called off their protest. The passengers were shifted to different hotels by the airline.
Meanwhile, a PIA spokesman said in a press release on Sunday that the “illegal go-slow†of Palpa had entered the ninth day as 13 captains and first officers refused to operate scheduled flights, causing an estimated loss of over Rs1 billion to the national flag carrier.
He said flight PK-308 (Karachi-Islamabad) was operated by PIA Managing Director Captain Muhammad Aijaz Haroon and Director Flight Operations Captain Shuja Naqvi while 10 other flights were operated by pilots of the management.
He said the “illegal go-slow†and refusal by Palpa pilots to operate fights affected 15 flights and five domestic and international flights had to be cancelled.
The spokesman claimed that the management, over the last two weeks, had repeatedly requested Palpa representatives to hold talks with them to resolve the issue, but they had refused.
Talking to Dawn on Sunday, Palpa President Captain Sohail Baloch said they had gone on a go-slow because the PIA management was not following the Working Agreement which was related to Palpa staff’s salaries, allowances and other perks.
Another demand of Palpa, he said, was that it wanted the Air Navigation Order to be revised, adding that under the order Palpa members had to perform 12-hour duties, giving them little time for rest.
He said the ministry of defence had called a meeting of Palpa representatives and PIA management on Monday.
Source: DAWN
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DUE OPNL RQMNT CMA FLWG CHANGES FINALIZED STP
MON / 02 AUG 10
PK787-788 IS RE-ROUTED TO OPTE KHI-ISB-LHR-KHI ISO KHI-LHR-KHI BY B743 ISO B772 ON FLWG REVISED ITNY
PK787 B743 KHI 0430 UTC
ISB 0625 / 0800 UTC
LHR 1630 UTC -0330HRS B/SKD
TUE / 03 AUG 10
PK788 B743 LHR 0600 UTC 1355HRS B/SKD
KHI 1335 UTC
MON / 02 AUG 10
PK787-788 IS RE-ROUTED TO OPTE KHI-ISB-LHR-KHI ISO KHI-LHR-KHI BY B743 ISO B772 ON FLWG REVISED ITNY
PK787 B743 KHI 0430 UTC
ISB 0625 / 0800 UTC
LHR 1630 UTC -0330HRS B/SKD
TUE / 03 AUG 10
PK788 B743 LHR 0600 UTC 1355HRS B/SKD
KHI 1335 UTC
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I consider PALPA to be the most mean organization. PIA can hire at least 50 employees on ground with salary of one pilot. Pilots are the cheapest of the cheapest in PIA. Engineers also joined the bandwagon, but apparently have been very patient generally. Ground staff doesn't exist and have no rights, its all about cockpit crew, cabin crew and engineers.
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What time is the PK787 due to land at heathrow today??
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Go slow, refuse to fly (i.e.work), strike-only with unions is such garbage, b.s. and baqwas actions are allowed. Try that in other private sector industries and see what happens. No wonder they aviation sector as a whole is in turmoil..... 
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